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The Great Ice Mining Interdiction: Not so Great

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#781 - 2013-08-25 13:17:45 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
This might go better if goons didn't use 7 ships to gank an exhumer that only needs 2 for the job.


They are more about quantity than quality Blink


Yuppers. Lame KB padding. It's so soft they don't even need fabric softener.

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#782 - 2013-08-25 13:22:06 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yuppers. Lame KB padding. It's so soft they don't even need fabric softener.


Because goons are known to be wild about their killboard stats and will kick anyone who doesn't maintain 80% efficiency?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#783 - 2013-08-25 15:21:13 UTC
Our killboard stats?

Actually, just: Our killboard?

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Dave Stark
#784 - 2013-08-25 16:17:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.

So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.

Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo.


a week old character in a retriever with 4 t1 drones can, and will, absolutely destroy any high sec rat spawn without issue or even needing to be at the PC. rats are only an issue in 0.6 and below for players younger than a week. how many players fall in to that category? a negligable amount since most that young tend to be in 1.0-0.7 where 2 t1 drones can easily deal with the spawns (maybe a dip in to armour but nowhere near hull)

calling it risky for new players is laughable.


Today's retriever <> 2009 retriever.
Minmatar space <> Caldari space.


point still stands; calling mining risky even for new players is still laughable.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#785 - 2013-08-25 17:04:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Our killboard stats?

Actually, just: Our killboard?


I just vomited a little.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#786 - 2013-08-25 20:02:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Edit:

Again, back in 2009 when I was a new player, ISDs would indoctrinate every new player in rookie chat into mining and so I laboriously bought a retriever and went to mine in the vicinity of Hek.
Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.

So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.

Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo.



You want risk? Go mine in a Sansha Incursion belt or anom and see wha happens, especially a HQ system Twisted
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Dave Stark
#787 - 2013-08-25 20:20:49 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Edit:

Again, back in 2009 when I was a new player, ISDs would indoctrinate every new player in rookie chat into mining and so I laboriously bought a retriever and went to mine in the vicinity of Hek.
Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.

So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.

Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo.



You want risk? Go mine in a Sansha Incursion belt or anom and see wha happens, especially a HQ system Twisted


it'll be fine, mining ships use shield tanks not armour tanks so they won't be at some huge disadvantage.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#788 - 2013-08-26 06:27:26 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Edit:

Again, back in 2009 when I was a new player, ISDs would indoctrinate every new player in rookie chat into mining and so I laboriously bought a retriever and went to mine in the vicinity of Hek.
Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.

So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.

Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo.



You want risk? Go mine in a Sansha Incursion belt or anom and see wha happens, especially a HQ system Twisted



I have done better, I have mined at Gukarla, Taff, near Esesier and in some NPC 0.0 systems. In there, NPCs tend to be dangerous but... not as much as the residents Pirate

Also done L4 missions in Gukarla, in the low sec cluster you can access by going low sec from Bei and in NPC 0.0 (Stain).

Is it enough? Blink

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#789 - 2013-08-26 06:57:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Our killboard stats?

Actually, just: Our killboard?

I just vomited a little.

You like the killboard, it's ~special~

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#790 - 2013-08-26 07:41:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Our killboard stats?

Actually, just: Our killboard?

I just vomited a little.

You like the killboard, it's ~special~


If you travel to the end of the universe and look over the edge into the nothingness that is there you would see nought but our killboard slugglshly updating itself with the latest orca kill.
Maliandra
Doomheim
#791 - 2013-08-26 11:28:51 UTC
I think the prices reflect how much of a fail this ice interdiction has been. 90% of the miners I know are still harvesting ice at the same rate and have barely ever even seen you guys in system.

Step up your game goons, everyone is laughing right now P.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#792 - 2013-08-26 11:46:06 UTC
Maliandra wrote:

Step up your game goons, everyone is laughing right now P.



No.

I'm celebrating their existence as I make a fortune in Rens ftw.

Brilliant.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#793 - 2013-08-26 12:53:01 UTC
Just got a group of 11 Catalysts attack people at a system I am watching.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#794 - 2013-08-26 14:09:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Just got a group of 11 Catalysts attack people at a system I am watching.


Hrm... I was about to ask if the ice interdiction was over. I spy an Obelisk in Osmon. *wink* *wink*

Plus their Orca.

Someone should do something about that.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#795 - 2013-08-26 17:09:33 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
I think the prices reflect how much of a fail this ice interdiction has been. 90% of the miners I know are still harvesting ice at the same rate and have barely ever even seen you guys in system.

Step up your game goons, everyone is laughing right now P.

Why gank the miners, when you can gank a freighter or Orca carrying the fruits of their labours instead? It's much more efficient.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#796 - 2013-08-26 17:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir SmashAlot
There are vast amounts of excess ice sitting in hangers; there is little benefit to rage camping every belt as the cost to do so would be too high (Motivation/Morale + miners switching to Procurers/Skiffs) over the long period of time needed to deplete those supplies.

All goons have to do is limit the ice coming in from low and null sec, while making it more difficult for large multi-boxing fleets to roam around unchallenged. If they can limit the number of re-spawns by one or two a day with a few roaming gangs of catalysts they can bleed the system of the excess stockpiles with a limited cost.

It is not about profitably ganking a mining boat, orca, or freighter, but creating an environment of slow appreciation. Their massive stockpiles will gain value as well as the ice in their control in low and null sec.

This is not a sprint like other interdictions but a "slow burn" of the ice horded from years of systemic oversupply.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#797 - 2013-08-26 17:24:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
I think the prices reflect how much of a fail this ice interdiction has been. 90% of the miners I know are still harvesting ice at the same rate and have barely ever even seen you guys in system.

Step up your game goons, everyone is laughing right now P.

Why gank the miners, when you can gank a freighter or Orca carrying the fruits of their labours instead? It's much more efficient.


Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.

The funny thing is the guy is not in an NPC corp along with all his dozen skiffs so someone could wardec them I suppose.

There are a few untanked retrievers too just asking fo it.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#798 - 2013-08-26 17:31:59 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#799 - 2013-08-26 17:36:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.


I take it they are too idiot to hang a Damage Control amirite ? I'll bet ISK.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#800 - 2013-08-26 18:06:01 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.


Was it you today? I can definitely imagine that 11 catalysts would be used to kill an Orca and not just a Mack.

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