EVE General Discussion

Your kidding, CCP is trying to run a business and wants customers?

Go figure.

Anyway CCP doesn't "get" it, so this is all moot.

The fact is you can't lure people who don't PvP to a PvP zone just by making the PvE slightly better. In UO they gave double resources and that didn't make fk all difference.

If you want more people in null make the PvP better and more accessible and more PvPers will play there.

Well outside of the fact that 1b and 2b are already given for any player intentionally going low in the first place. So as an exposure mechanic it is a new shiny for folks who already want such exposure and lacks any reasonable incentive for anyone who does not. This hearkens to the infinite thread posts about how to avoid getting gate-camped every time you jump into low. Which are excellent for someone who wants to put in the time and effort to learn this play-style. The problem being that anyone who does is already doing so and does not need incentives.
I will go ahead and get personal bias out of the way here. Personally I think low sec is the ghetto. My personal experience with it has been either you fly around and skip out or you get camped and killed with nothing in-between. Folks can say HTFU but my response is 'why?'. If this is a game of risk vs. reward then there are no rewards in low that justify the risk. And your suggestion (well meaning as it may seem) to me looks like one of the multitude I have encountered that amount to tricking folks into going to an are of the game they are ill-suited to. In the hopes that they will suddenly enjoy it. Look back to the first time you tried low. did you stumble into it or did you purposefully go out into it to learn? Me I stumbled into it and lost a ship, came back and lost another. tried a couple of other things and found it was possible to survive but not thrive. Decided the best way to get to null was a JC

Why do we need to force players into null-sec? Doesn't that fly in the face of EVE as "sandbox", wherein players can play "how they want"?

Besides, the major players already have enough bots running to supply Empire with all the Morphite, Zydrine, and Megacyte that's needed for production. Our miners have no need to venture into null-sec, anyway.

EVE is player driven. Therefore, if null-sec players are so desperate for action, then they'll just have to create it for themselves. In other words:

Stop crying to CCP to hold your hands, and actually man up and declare war on each other.



Yeah, and we don't have to dedicate 20 hrs a week to "mandatory fleet ops", nor do we have to pay 50 million a week in "rental fees", nor do we have to submit our full API key and endure an interview by an abusive douchebag who's going to berate and criticize us for every small detail.

Yeah, I'd rather get killed in hi-sec playing EVE how I want than being a gatecamp slave for the null-machine.

what does Empire have that null doesn't?
Auto-System Defense.

Empire has Auto fleets guarding stations, gates and space.
Null has what? Bubbles?

For the part-time player this is not enough.

What can CCP do to buff Null for the part time player?
Allow Alliances to have system wide Auto-Fleet Defenses, NOT as strong as Empire, but player build ships under a AI control.
A enemy fleet will have to take them out first before attacking other assets or move through a system, giving residents time to respond to the situation at hand.

Some kind of station would be needed to based the fleet. Fuel to run the fleet?
Fleet ship would only defend and not jump to another system.

Well just an idea.

Getting people into null is not CCP's job, that would be interfering with the alliances there.

Its the alliance's job to get people into nullsec. This is EVE ONLINE a COLD HARD AND TOUGH UNIVERSE.


Not a CRYING AND WHINING NANNY STATE.

HTFU, nullsec is fine.

If you can't get people into nullsec its your own fault.

If you force players out of empire they won't all go to null sec ... they'll go to WoW.

The first time I stumbled into low, I got popped by an Armageddon at a gate (this was like 8 years ago, when people solo-sniped low-sec gates with battleships). Then my friend came and bailed me out with his AF. I pretty much made up my mind to only shoot people from that point on, and it was good. I was pirating in Placid and going out to nearby null in my first week of playtime.

But see, back then, there weren't any of these fancy tutorials. I had a Velator, 5,000 ISK, and a few modules I picked up from the rookie training complex in Duripant. The game threw me out on my ass and told me to fend for myself.

What do we have now? The first thing a new player learns is how to use an agent. Then he gets sent off to more agents for more missions, which lead to even more agents and missions. It's no wonder that I routinely encounter 6-month-old players out there who sincerely think that shooting someone else is a petitionable exploit; the game pretty much locks them into that singular mentality from the very first hour of playtime.

Anyways, I agree with a lot of your points. I know my idea is flawed and arbitrary. But that doesn't mean it's unsound in principle. All I want to see is risk and reward being properly proportional to a systems' utilization. Why is high-sec such a gold mine when it's so overpopulated? Shouldn't resources get scarce? The null-sec system of development indices is also flawed; the more resources you consume in a system, the less resources it should have, not vice versa.

Is decreasing high-sec's immediate rewards while offering the option of getting significantly higher payouts for venturing out into unknown territories that inherently wrong? That's pretty much the whole premise of wormholes, yet I don't see anyone complaining about them.

PS: I'm not calling for CCP to force people into lower security areas. I'm simply arguing for the creation of additional incentives that might make people consider it, when they otherwise would never have. If people quit the game because they can't get their hands on these optional, additional rewards, then gaming is dead anyway. Might as well nail the coffin ourselves.

Are you ******** (mentally challenged)?

Theyve been saying it to highseccers for years. Time for them to take their own advice

Imagine a sandbox where you could only go from one point in the box to another on a given line of travel - if something is in the way - like a camp or blob - you can't pass.

But the people waiting at the camp or blob will always be the ones hiding their sociopath ways behind the notion that the game is a sandbox.


Ironic.


Remove dependency on gates and implement system to system warp capabilities and most of these problems go away. NULL becomes a chaotic smorgasbord of PVP (but would those who already live there be able to hand that?)