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Pirate Faction Ships are T1 - YES/NO

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ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-08-23 23:26:18 UTC
Wow. This was the first thread I clicked on today and I was not disappointed.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-08-24 00:45:40 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
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Kaillon speaks
*LOL* +1
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-08-24 00:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Pirate ships are T1 in the same way the Bugatti Veyron is a car.
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-08-24 00:58:19 UTC
I would like a real missile pirate faction ship for cruisers. If I wanted drones I'd get the Gila. Make another cruiser pirate faction for missiles please.
North Vladimir
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-08-24 01:55:44 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kaillon Huren wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Is a topic about pirate faction ships, but a post about industrials. Therefore:
--> Science & Industry


You want me to be scathingly critical and sarcastic in that channel to.

Hmm, let me guess you actually have a real Quafe T-Shirt from the eve store.


I have a real Quafe T-shirt from Fanfest. Would you like to buy it?


If you send money to goonswaffe,you will be scammed and you are **** out of luck
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-08-24 04:16:34 UTC
100k is way to big. Also, giving them specialized bays that are all larger than the normal cargo hold was the entire point of the indy rebalance. At the moment, nobody flies any Gallente hauler other than the Itty 5 because is it better than the others in every single way.

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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2013-08-24 04:22:20 UTC
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#48 - 2013-08-24 06:37:56 UTC
Kaillon Huren wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Kaillon Huren wrote:
You want me to be scathingly critical and sarcastic in that channel to.

No, you can be vague, confusing and unintelligible there, just like you were here.


Vague - ok the new changes to indys are a ******* joke and only quafe t-shirt wearing fan boys who say awesome all the time will basically say its awesome.


The Miasmos is an awesome hauler, especially for deadspace mining operations. You can fit a MWD onto it and give it enough capacitor to get 2 minutes of MWD goodness out of it. All of this while hauling 50k m3 of ore! It's more manoeuvrable, easier to skill into and less expensive to lose than a Mackinaw. This makes it an awesome ship for rookies to fly in mining operations.

Don't worry though, the pirate frigate rebalance will come in time, and you'll have a whole lot more to complain about as your favourite fitting is swept away like yesterday's chaff.

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Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-08-24 11:23:15 UTC
I also got a headache from that OP, but I'll try and give answers.

First off "Pirate ships" are planned to receive both buffs and nerfs for most of them. These have not been finalized, but "general consensus" is that sansha ships will be buffed in general. Blood raider frigates and cruisers will be buffed, but not the battleship. Angel ships will receive a few nerfs/tweaks here and there. And the vindicator will receive a minor nerf in one area and a buff in another. Noone really knows about gurista ships except the devs themselves. (These range from light evidence of past changes, to pure speculation.) Only thing known for sure is they ARE getting rebalanced.

As for industrials, I'm fond of the changes, they are keeping gallente ships the most capacity, but as specialized roles. And giving the bestower the most overall generalized capacity when maxed out. (Mother of god, Amarr gets the best at SOMETHING other than buffer tanking.)
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#50 - 2013-08-24 11:29:17 UTC
Kaillon Huren wrote:
Why carry ore in one ship, refine it, put it in a mineral ship, produce ammo and put the final product in a third ship.

Well most would manufacture in the same station as they're refining in...

You don't have to use a specialist bay you know, they're an added convenience - if they aren't convenient then don't use them.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#51 - 2013-08-25 15:22:26 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Random words
Spatter my monitor
Kaillon speaks


5-7-5

You fail at writing haikus.
5-7-5 is not the only form of Haiku (see: Jiyuritsu). You fail at critiquing Haiku.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#52 - 2013-08-26 06:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
There's a different/unique balancing philosophy behind each: T1, T2, and Faction ships. T2 ships tend to be more or less uniformly buffed T1s, in principal. Faction ships are asymmetrically buffed beyond T2 in some respects, but not buffed much if at all beyond T1 in others. ...at least that's how I see it. I can't really compare the classes / categories of ships beyond that.

tl;dr; NO

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-08-26 06:49:18 UTC
Kaillon Huren wrote:
Do most of CCP employees sit around in Iron Maiden T-shirts and say "awesome" in every other sentence.


Kaillon Huren wrote:
Hmm, let me guess you actually have a real Quafe T-Shirt from the eve store.


Is this a thread about spaceships or t-shirts?

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#54 - 2013-08-26 06:55:48 UTC
Nerf Vindicator into the ground please.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-08-26 07:35:17 UTC
It's called tiercide because a major part of the ongoing rebalancing effort involved removing tiers.
It's not the only aspect because many other things are also being done, e.g. reassessing the roles of different ships and ship classes, fixing power relations between T1 and T2 ships, giving T3 ships a clearly defined role that doesn't impede on T2 ships, and making sure that modules are also given clearly defined roles that aren't overpowered or underutilized.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-08-26 08:19:58 UTC
Kaillon Huren wrote:
No body wants Pirate Faction Ships improved, hmm.

Its a rebalance drive, not an improvement drive.

Kaillon Huren wrote:
4 different 50k specialist cargo bays, instead of just giving every races largest indy 50k+ general cargo space. REALLY !!

Yes lets just do away with different ships and have everything the same! Why bother with frigates -> titans, lets just have one ship and be done with it.

Kaillon Huren wrote:
Would it be interesting to have a 100k cargo bay and use the races differences to tank the ship to avoid ganking.

No, obviously.

Also, what do you have against t-shirts?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#57 - 2013-08-26 08:40:15 UTC
For the record
Meta 0: T1
Meta 1–4: Named
Meta 5: T2 / T3
Meta 6: Storyline
Meta 7–10: Faction (pirate generally being 1 level above the corresponding navy item).
Meta 11–13: Deadspace / Officer

Pirate faction ships are pretty much all Meta 8.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-08-26 08:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Tippia wrote:
For the record
Meta 0: T1
Meta 1–4: Named
Meta 5: T2 / T3
Meta 6: Storyline
Meta 7–10: Faction (pirate generally being 1 level above the corresponding navy item).
Meta 11–13: Deadspace / Officer

Pirate faction ships are pretty much all Meta 8.

I'm too lazy to check the actual database dump but from general gameplay behavior (skill requirements, overheating behavior) meta 0-4 and meta 6-13 are all T1.

Even in colloquial usage claiming that meta 1-4 are not T1 strikes me as highly unusual.

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-08-26 08:55:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cynable nerf is on the way


Cynable? That has to be best ship name ever!
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