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Yet again on Proteus bandwidth increase.

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Deliram
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-23 19:45:11 UTC
I tried the seach but i only found over 1 year olds threads.. never posted on this part of the forum before so sorry for anything :p

I have seen some post about this in the past. Now that the Command ships and the assault cruiser get a nicely revamp i think there is a new problem for Gallente pilots like myself:
Mainly gallente ships pilots who focused heavly on drones.

For us, now that the ishtar and the Eos get finally better stats for they drones there is no reason to use the proteus. Maybe i mistake, but i thought that the role of a T3 cruiser was to be able(less skills requirement and quite more money) to match the stats of almost any kind of cruiser hull any given race had with the proper fit.

The 25 additional bandwidth can be placed on any subsystem i don't really care. Can be one of the already 2 drone-related subsystem, or a new one like the remote armor repairer subsystem. That would be great opening for new usefull fits too..

So what you think?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-08-23 20:09:23 UTC
The role of T3 cruisers is to do multiple things at below the level specialized T2 ships do them. That doesn't mean you won't get your extra dronebay, but just saying the role of T3 ships isn't quite what you are trying to make it out to be. If you want to do just 1 narrow thing extremely well, a T3 ship propably shouldn't be your first choice.
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-23 20:14:45 UTC
Yeah the proteus is really weak.

Get out.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-08-23 20:21:15 UTC
I can't wait for the T3 nerfs.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2013-08-23 20:41:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I can't wait for the T3 nerfs.



Please elaborate.

Mr Epeen Cool
Deliram
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-23 20:44:46 UTC
I don't see the part in my message were i stated that the proteus is Weak, or more in general T3 cruisers are weak. In fact i was saying quite the opposite.
Don't change the subject and read, that's if you're able, please.


Destination SkillQueue wrote:
The role of T3 cruisers is to do multiple things at below the level specialized T2 ships do them. That doesn't mean you won't get your extra dronebay, but just saying the role of T3 ships isn't quite what you are trying to make it out to be. If you want to do just 1 narrow thing extremely well, a T3 ship propably shouldn't be your first choice.

As others didn't notice to note in fact in many ways T3 cruiser are more expensive, stronger versions of T2 assaults.
I mean, you can fit them for cover that role and they will most likely end up with more tank and DPS especially for missions or rats..anomalies..ecc...
The real thing is, if you're specialized in rails and blasters is true for the Proteus too. But not if your specialization are the drones, or if you like to play with them. And so i like the proteus but i can't use it for the most important aspect of my game, because i will have to modify my playing style too much, or lose too much dps-and-or-tanking.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-23 20:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I can't wait for the T3 nerfs.

Please elaborate.

Mr Epeen Cool


Aye, elaborate. T3s aren't working as intended, just like blackops and marauders. You're going to see less of a nerf and more of a complete overhaul, if CCP are half the company I believe them to be. Maybe something along the lines of swapping fit in space in order to make 'em truly pragmatic like they were meant to be? In exchange for making them weaker in these swapped roles than their T2 counterparts, of course.

Dodixie > Hek
Whitehound
#8 - 2013-08-23 21:10:43 UTC
I cannot wait for people posting in the right forum. It will be so awesome.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-08-23 21:22:03 UTC
I'm a drone man, always have been always will be. Started with the Imicus, sold my free Catalyst to get an Algos, loved my Vexor, and so on until now my primary ship is the Rattlesnake. I recently finished training for my first t3, and I chose the Proteus, even though I heard the drone Proteus sucks. My thoughts have been very positive so far though - I still get 600+ dps with Garde II's and it tanks like a beast. Yeah, getting a fifth drone would be awesome, but being limited to 4 sentries/heavies has not made the ship worthless by any means.

 --  - Ambassador Spock

"Vulcans never bluff."
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#10 - 2013-08-23 21:41:16 UTC
I'd like for every T3 to be able to fit its racial doomsday at 50% effectiveness. After all, it is supposed to do everything, just not as well as a ship explicitly designed for it.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2013-08-23 22:00:17 UTC

Quote:
As others didn't notice to note in fact in many ways T3 cruiser are more expensive, stronger versions of T2 assaults.
I mean, you can fit them for cover that role and they will most likely end up with more tank and DPS especially for missions or rats..anomalies..ecc...
The real thing is, if you're specialized in rails and blasters is true for the Proteus too. But not if your specialization are the drones, or if you like to play with them. And so i like the proteus but i can't use it for the most important aspect of my game, because i will have to modify my playing style too much, or lose too much dps-and-or-tanking.


Just because something was CCP's intention doesn't mean that's how it turned out. As CCP has admitted, T3s are awfully balanced.

They are supposed to do what Destination Skillqueue said, and they presumably will once they are rebalanced.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-08-23 22:03:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I can't wait for the T3 nerfs.



Please elaborate.

Mr Epeen Cool


They will land somewhere between T1 and T2.

A big nerf is guaranteed.
Deliram
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-08-23 23:11:31 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:

Quote:
As others didn't notice to note in fact in many ways T3 cruiser are more expensive, stronger versions of T2 assaults.
I mean, you can fit them for cover that role and they will most likely end up with more tank and DPS especially for missions or rats..anomalies..ecc...
The real thing is, if you're specialized in rails and blasters is true for the Proteus too. But not if your specialization are the drones, or if you like to play with them. And so i like the proteus but i can't use it for the most important aspect of my game, because i will have to modify my playing style too much, or lose too much dps-and-or-tanking.


Just because something was CCP's intention doesn't mean that's how it turned out. As CCP has admitted, T3s are awfully balanced.

They are supposed to do what Destination Skillqueue said, and they presumably will once they are rebalanced.

Ah, i didn't know CCP stated T3 went out far too powerfull in respect of what they tought. Thanks for clarify that. But anyway i don't see how a 300-400 mil cruiser can't have the same bandwidth of a Ishtar. Counting mid slots, the other ishtar bonuses and improvement i think ishtar will be way far better than the proteus for missions/ratting ecc anyway even if you throw 25 more bandwidth in the proteus. Even now with a ishtar i can do missions faster and better than with the proteus, after will be ridiculous the difference.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#14 - 2013-08-23 23:26:36 UTC
all the t3 hate makes me queasy. personally, i like them where they are.
Rengerel en Distel
#15 - 2013-08-24 00:45:48 UTC
Instead of trying to make the proteus do what you think you want, pick one of the other ships that already does it better.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2013-08-24 00:55:05 UTC
Greetings

Don't mind me, just moving to a more appropriate location. Continue with the discussion.

On On

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
#17 - 2013-08-24 00:57:19 UTC
Deliram wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:

Quote:
As others didn't notice to note in fact in many ways T3 cruiser are more expensive, stronger versions of T2 assaults.
I mean, you can fit them for cover that role and they will most likely end up with more tank and DPS especially for missions or rats..anomalies..ecc...
The real thing is, if you're specialized in rails and blasters is true for the Proteus too. But not if your specialization are the drones, or if you like to play with them. And so i like the proteus but i can't use it for the most important aspect of my game, because i will have to modify my playing style too much, or lose too much dps-and-or-tanking.


Just because something was CCP's intention doesn't mean that's how it turned out. As CCP has admitted, T3s are awfully balanced.

They are supposed to do what Destination Skillqueue said, and they presumably will once they are rebalanced.

Ah, i didn't know CCP stated T3 went out far too powerfull in respect of what they tought. Thanks for clarify that. But anyway i don't see how a 300-400 mil cruiser can't have the same bandwidth of a Ishtar. Counting mid slots, the other ishtar bonuses and improvement i think ishtar will be way far better than the proteus for missions/ratting ecc anyway even if you throw 25 more bandwidth in the proteus. Even now with a ishtar i can do missions faster and better than with the proteus, after will be ridiculous the difference.



If you are trained to fly an Ishtar - which is cheaper than a Proteus - and you are doing missions faster and better, then what is the problem here?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2013-08-24 02:58:19 UTC
Deliram wrote:
Ah, i didn't know CCP stated T3 went out far too powerfull in respect of what they tought. Thanks for clarify that. But anyway i don't see how a 300-400 mil cruiser can't have the same bandwidth of a Ishtar. Counting mid slots, the other ishtar bonuses and improvement i think ishtar will be way far better than the proteus for missions/ratting ecc anyway even if you throw 25 more bandwidth in the proteus. Even now with a ishtar i can do missions faster and better than with the proteus, after will be ridiculous the difference.


Try flying the Proteus with MWD/Ogres IIs. Ishtar can't pull it off; Protues can. If you want to use sentries, by all means use the dedicated sentry boat.
Bigg Gun
T.I.E. Inc.
#19 - 2013-08-24 04:58:45 UTC
of course ishtar can pull it off, done it many times. In fact my regular drone loadout includes heavy and sentry and light.

IMO in the drone config proteus should have more drone bay ( around 300) and have a higher drone damage multiplier to compensate for the fact it can only launch 4. Something like 12.5% per level instead of 10.

So there
Deliram
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-08-24 11:39:16 UTC
A proteus as it stand now is great to do Rats for example i agree and yes i use heavyes. But for anomalies and missions dominix/ishtar can do it 10 times better, at least if you're fully specialized in drone, and maybe only has access to t2 hybrid gun without everything at lvl 5.

I don't want to use the proteus as a sentry drone deployer, i'm not even saying it has a small drone bay, i can live with that.
I'm just saying that AFTER the patch there will be no reason to use the proteus for mission/ratting. The difference will be huge and at least for me the proteus will only be used for cover ops and sometimes WH space.
While, if you use Rails more than drones... you will get it viable enought thanks to the boost to rails pve. I'm wrong?
So why making a type of proteus more viable for pve, and making another one that already wasn't too powerfull less viable in comparison?

Look at other races, i don't know them well beside the Tengu. Giving you a free cruiser hull T2 or T3, for missions and PVE what you will use? I think i will keep the tengu for caldari... Amarr and Minmtar hows for you?

And btw i'm not asking a flat bonus to every type of proteus, the 25 bandwidth can be added for example to the defence remote armor repair, in fact not making the most common pvp/pve fit more powerfull and .. it makes sense to me.
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