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The Female Character "Attributes"

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2013-08-13 17:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Debora Tsung wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
... depending on the culture which one should respect...


Culture should never and does never deserve to be respected. Attention

Culture is an overratted heapload of **** dragging us down, slowing our progress and inhibiting our capacity for free thought. We should get rid of it.

Cultture is when I go to my neighbour at my 18th birthday and choop of his head to make a cup out of his skull to proove my new found manlyness. Civilization on the other hand is when I get to prison for that kind of crap.


You're restricting culture to its periodic definitions, but culture is in general the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively, so in a progressive world like the one you think getting rid of culture would accomplish, you get a progressive culture. In a non-progressive world, you get a non-progressive culture. Progress is not dependent on culture, and progressive culture is dependant on a non-homogenous society where creativity is encouraged.

"Disrupts socio-technological balance. All scientific advancement due to intellegence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

~ Mordin Solus, Mass Effect, still the best speech I've ever heard to demonstrate how closely tied culture is to progress, science, and technology.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#242 - 2013-08-16 10:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
... depending on the culture which one should respect...


Culture should never and does never deserve to be respected. Attention

Culture is an overratted heapload of **** dragging us down, slowing our progress and inhibiting our capacity for free thought. We should get rid of it.

Cultture is when I go to my neighbour at my 18th birthday and choop of his head to make a cup out of his skull to proove my new found manlyness. Civilization on the other hand is when I get to prison for that kind of crap.


You're restricting culture to its periodic definitions, but culture is in general the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively, so in a progressive world like the one you think getting rid of culture would accomplish, you get a progressive culture. In a non-progressive world, you get a non-progressive culture. Progress is not dependent on culture, and progressive culture is dependant on a non-homogenous society where creativity is encouraged.

"Disrupts socio-technological balance. All scientific advancement due to intellegence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

~ Mordin Solus, Mass Effect, still the best speech I've ever heard to demonstrate how closely tied culture is to progress, science, and technology.



I don't know the words to describe the idiocy uttered in that last sentence of his "Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

Sentences like that are usually heard by technophobe religious nutjobs and back to the stone age fanatics (yes, some of them survived the nineties).

And I think You mix up culture and civilization. The difference is, admittedly, subtle but it's there, and we could do well without the first.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#243 - 2013-08-23 19:22:00 UTC
Jung-Hwa Stenier-Tian wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.


Shouldn't you get back to writing articles for Jezebel and The Guardian and using the word "patriarchy" like normal people use commas?


I do not know what you mean.
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#244 - 2013-08-23 19:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Shinomiya
Debora Tsung wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
... depending on the culture which one should respect...


Culture should never and does never deserve to be respected. Attention

Culture is an overratted heapload of **** dragging us down, slowing our progress and inhibiting our capacity for free thought. We should get rid of it.

Cultture is when I go to my neighbour at my 18th birthday and choop of his head to make a cup out of his skull to proove my new found manlyness. Civilization on the other hand is when I get to prison for that kind of crap.


Culture is formed by the people over the time. It contains history, traditions, norms, ideals, thinkings and wisdom of sometimes thousand years old civilizations. It should respected and protected. It is what makes us strong as species. The diversification of the many cultures is what makes us who we are. Without culture we are nothing. But we have forgotten that we should learn from eachother and not fight eachother in our greed for power. The globalization tries to eliminate cultures and makes everything equal. But we pull out our beating heart. No. For me respect and acceptance of other cultures is what makes a good human inter alia.
ashley Eoner
#245 - 2013-08-24 00:09:45 UTC
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Dear EVE Online players,


When I am bored a little bit I often click around and look at the characters you guys have created. One thing according to the female characters is very ... prominent: It seems you guys mostly like big racks and half naked, skinny bodies.

I know that with a probability of 80 to 90% a man created the character. I am not a feminist. I think this a firstly a questions of aesthetics which of course depends on personal views. But I ask myself is this the imagination you have how a woman should be? This is not an attack on you guys. And I do not want to start a discussion of what you all thing is beautiful. I only wanted to show a conspicuity.

I do not tell you what to do. EVE Online is a free game for which you all pay. You can do what you want. I only wanted to give my opinion.


Regards.
I am male and this character is actually pretty typical of the bodies I use with my characters.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#246 - 2013-08-24 00:23:25 UTC
Wait a minute, straight males are acting like straight males!? Arrow
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#247 - 2013-08-24 00:27:07 UTC
The creator here doesn't let you make a 'skinny large breasted' woman. It scales body type so that if you want maximum cleavage you need to beef up the body. You can make them tone or soft but you need a bulky girl to make an ample one.

I've player over 50 MMO's with Ioci. I put a lot of thought in to making her.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#248 - 2013-08-24 04:08:15 UTC
Yes, I like big **** and a pretty face to look at while I farm on my farmer alt. is that so wrong?

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Cauldron Asai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#249 - 2013-08-24 05:26:36 UTC
nice story babe..now go make me a sandwich Cool
raney ilara
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-08-24 06:11:01 UTC
I asked my husband about this once. His answer was "why ask why?" I stopped wondering years ago.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#251 - 2013-08-24 06:32:30 UTC
ITT: Daily/Weekly/Monthly "Why EVE Players make their characters/alts female"

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Cauldron Asai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#252 - 2013-08-24 06:55:14 UTC
well this is such a well rounded and very perky discussion. i would hate to see it fall to something less given the overall gravity of the situation.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#253 - 2013-08-26 16:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Culture is formed by the people over the time. It contains history, traditions, norms, ideals, thinkings and wisdom of sometimes thousand years old civilizations. It should respected and protected. It is what makes us strong as species. The diversification of the many cultures is what makes us who we are. Without culture we are nothing. But we have forgotten that we should learn from eachother and not fight eachother in our greed for power. The globalization tries to eliminate cultures and makes everything equal. But we pull out our beating heart. No. For me respect and acceptance of other cultures is what makes a good human inter alia.


Pheh... No.

Tradition is just another word for "we do it like that because we've always done it like that. Don't question it, it's tradition."

Norms and ideals? Like what? burning hospitals because there might be leprose people inside (haiti approx. 6 weeks after the big earthquake).

Beating a fourth grader all girl sports class back into a burning building because they didn't wear scarfs when they fled the fire? (saudi arabia approx. 2008)

Stabbing and killing his own son because he wanted to have sex with his girlfriend before marriage? (germany approx. 2008).

Putting a woman in prison because she beat up her wannabe rapist? (Egypt 2007)

Or just plain going 1984 on your own people because someone might now someone how knows someone that knows a religious extrermist?

Are you talking about stuff like that? I say we can do without that.

We also have not somehow magically "forgotten" that we should learn from each other, 99% of humanity never learned that in the first place.

Without culture we can be EVERYTHING! Not just some barely out of the stone age half apes clubbering each other to death with sticks and stones. Attention

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#254 - 2013-08-27 00:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Shinomiya
Debora Tsung wrote:
Pheh... No.

Tradition is just another word for "we do it like that because we've always done it like that. Don't question it, it's tradition."

Norms and ideals? Like what? burning hospitals because there might be leprose people inside (haiti approx. 6 weeks after the big earthquake).

Beating a fourth grader all girl sports class back into a burning building because they didn't wear scarfs when they fled the fire? (saudi arabia approx. 2008)

Stabbing and killing his own son because he wanted to have sex with his girlfriend before marriage? (germany approx. 2008).

Putting a woman in prison because she beat up her wannabe rapist? (Egypt 2007)

Or just plain going 1984 on your own people because someone might now someone how knows someone that knows a religious extrermist?

Are you talking about stuff like that? I say we can do without that.

We also have not somehow magically "forgotten" that we should learn from each other, 99% of humanity never learned that in the first place.

Without culture we can be EVERYTHING! Not just some barely out of the stone age half apes clubbering each other to death with sticks and stones. Attention


I agree with you that the world becomes a very very mad place. But the lack of ethics and moral means not that we do not need one.

I give you another example. In my country, Germany, the EU commission (EU law is above national law, unfortunatly) and the former allies try to eliminate our culture, our tradition, who we are and from where we come. They want to eradicate every Prussian ideals. They see a threat in it because in the Prussian constitution were things written like that expropriation (through banks e.g.) are forbidden. That was a clearly threat to the rising private banking system after WWII. The reason why they (USA) want to eradicate the Islam is because the Islamic banking system works pretty fine without any interests. Interests are forbidden in Islam. As well as nuclear weapons by the way. The reason is these people have a sense for ethics and moral coming from their culture. And they know from history what the interest system does to a society and what it creates. The forbade of interests, the knowledge from history and history itself are parts of their culture and their tradition. So we can learn a lot from them.

Today our governments in the EU want to globalize or with other words Americanize us, make us only to worker and consumer. Remembering our traditions is what saves us from becoming what they want: Mindless system follower with no cultural ties. We fight for our traditions because we know what we fight for. For our right, our heritage, who we are as people.

Without tradition and culture the people have nothing they can identify with. A state without culture and tradition is a empty shell. And that is what these globalisation fanatics want: Taking everything from us, so we have nothing left what makes us more than worker and consumer. And they do a very good job. They fight the traditional families, supporting gay "families" - I have nothing against gays - but a family is father, mother and child and maybe a dog. Not father, father, child and a chiwawa. They want to make everything equal. Men, Woman, gender roles, family and so on.
After the upcoming German election next month the government and the EU will remove the status of national states from the EU. If they do what they have said - not in public of course. I can name hundreds of more examples in this direction.

We Germans have our traditions - what is left of it. They Americans have theirs. The people in Syria have theirs and so on. The Roman Empire was so succesful because they respected the cultures of others. They conquered them but they did not suppress them. Their cultures prospered under Roman administration and this let to the Pax Romanum, an era of peace in the empire. The Romans learned from the knowledge of other cultures, adapted their knowledge like the old Babylonians did before. Many culture, many points of views, many knowledge. This is what make humanity as whole who we are.

The Germans are the denser and thinker. It is the heritage of our culture. Where would the world be without our knowledge (rockets or computer e.g.)? The democracy - the pure democracy not this pseudo-democracy in the western world - was invented by the ancient Greek culture. They brought us the philosophy, the logic and discussions. It was their culture and we learned from them. The basic principles of law come from the ancient Roman culture. It is the foundation of our modern law system.

So you cannot say that culture and tradition is meaningless.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2013-08-27 01:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
The Roman Empire was so succesful because they respected the cultures of others.


I am laughing so hard right now at almost everything you just claimed in your post, but this claim made me laugh the hardest.

Seriously, you really think the Romans had respect for the cultures of people they conquered?

Seriously??

Additionally, it was the Greeks that established the foundations of democracy and law, not the Romans. The Romans assimilated the system and at some point, did away with patronage under the guise of "more freedom" but only to make it easier for caesars to corrupt the system. You have a lot to learn about history.

And while it's true that it was a Nazi V2 test flight that marked the first man-made object in space, rocketry itself is from the ancient Chinese, not Germans, and the V2 was designed to destroy, not to explore. Let's not pretend Germany was trying to do the world any favours on that occasion, okay?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#256 - 2013-08-27 01:39:32 UTC
I'd just like to say that I'd like to create an alt that is grotesquely fat, tia
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#257 - 2013-08-27 01:42:15 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
The Roman Empire was so succesful because they respected the cultures of others.


I am laughing so hard right now at almost everything you just claimed in your post, but this claim made me laugh the hardest.

Seriously, you really think the Romans had respect for the cultures of people they conquered?

Seriously?


respect isn't the right word. the right word is "tolerance." alexander's macedonians did the same thing. day to day life went more smoothly when a conquered people were able to keep their traditions and their religions and gods. the romans learned this lesson from the study of alexander's legacy of hellenism. so they applied the practice in their own conquests. rarely did they have to intervene due to cultural causes. notable exceptions of this would be judea and syria for example.
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#258 - 2013-08-27 01:57:06 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
The Roman Empire was so succesful because they respected the cultures of others.


I am laughing so hard right now at almost everything you just claimed in your post, but this claim made me laugh the hardest.

Seriously, you really think the Romans had respect for the cultures of people they conquered?

Seriously?


respect isn't the right word. the right word is "tolerance." alexander's macedonians did the same thing. day to day life went more smoothly when a conquered people were able to keep their traditions and their religions and gods. the romans learned this lesson from the study of alexander's legacy of hellenism. so they applied the practice in their own conquests. rarely did they have to intervene due to cultural causes. notable exceptions of this would be judea and syria for example.


Right. Tolerance fits better. For me respect and tolerance going hand in hand. And you are right with Judea. With Syria I do not know.
Aya Shinomiya
Promethean Ascension
#259 - 2013-08-27 02:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Shinomiya
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
The Roman Empire was so succesful because they respected the cultures of others.


I am laughing so hard right now at almost everything you just claimed in your post, but this claim made me laugh the hardest.

Seriously, you really think the Romans had respect for the cultures of people they conquered?

Seriously??

Additionally, it was the Greeks that established the foundations of democracy and law, not the Romans. The Romans assimilated the system and at some point, did away with patronage under the guise of "more freedom" but only to make it easier for caesars to corrupt the system. You have a lot to learn about history.

And while it's true that it was a **** V2 test flight that marked the first man-made object in space, rocketry itself is from the ancient Chinese, not Germans, and the V2 was designed to destroy, not to explore. Let's not pretend Germany was trying to do the world any favours on that occasion, okay?


The Romans tolerated other cultures. It is historical proven. It was the success of their empire.

I said the Greek established the democracy and the Romans the law. Jurists speaking Latin, not Greek. Read your history book. First real law was established by the Romans. "In dubio pro reo" comes from the Romans.

But modern rockets based in the inventions of Werner von Braun in Germany and later in the USA and not on Chinese inventions. Rocket technology was invented independend in Germany and adapted by the USA after the war. The scientist behind wanted to do the world a favor. The military of course had other plans like today.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#260 - 2013-08-27 07:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Aya Shinomiya wrote:
Right. Tolerance fits better. For me respect and tolerance going hand in hand.

Unfortunately, you are wrong on that account.

Tolerance does not mean you respect or even like something, It means you endure it, mostly because you have to. And it's mostly something bad.

I tolerate a lot of things, high taxes for example, or the construction workers labouring through the night, right in front of my house. Or my neighbours loud smelly and ugly dog (I hate dogs). Stuff like that.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.