Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't see how next to the other HAC's (which look to be awesome +1 there) that leaving the Zealot alone can at all be justified.

Thus, as the window closes I'm forced to post this.


How about instead of this:

ZEALOT

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Amarr Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage

We see this:

ZEALOT

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Amarr Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage (like a T1 Omen - and somewhat addressing the severe cap issues by rolling the RoF DPS into this)

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range
7.5 bonus to Medium Energy Turret tracking (as befits a dedicated one-trick TII laser turret ship with a plethora of hard counters)

I think this ship also deserves either a modest speed boost or (perhaps even rather) an EHP increase. Zealot was the 'fast HAC' previously. Since the T1, Navy Cruiser and upcoming 'other HAC' changes this will no longer be the case. Leaving that alone would also thus result in a 'thematic nerf' to what was already a quite nichey ship. If you are intent on not increasing its speed (as I must confess the new Navy Omen now fulfills the role of kiting cruiser king - fair enough) then please consider raising its EHP to justify its classical Amarrian nature and to further distinguish it from its Navy brother (which threatens to completely out-class it).

This is extremely modest, no?

Tbh, I think the hull deserves even more play with the Cap/Grid/CPU/etc. But as it stands currently, the "hull bonuses per level" suggestion above should be a complete no-brainer. Surely all must concur as to the reasonableness and necessity of this?

Disclaimer: For those not exactly clear, the Zealot is receiving no attention at all (alone among all the HACs) aside from the New Role Bonus (and very welcome HAC-Wide Sensor Strength + Targeting Range buff).

CCP Rise, are you reading?

Thank you.

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i would agree with you if anyone used the phantasm

Are you guys serious?

That's like looking at the Cerberus changes and saying "Naa, can't do that, that would impinge on the Sacrilege."

(Hint, One is tanky armor missile and the other is tanky shield missile - Cerb gets a drone bay too now)

The Phantasm can be addressed when the Pirate ships get done. (Hint, you don't armor tank a Phantasm and a Phantasm has a Drone Bay). Besides, gone are the days when laser hulls didn't get tracking bonuses.

It's the future of the Zealot that's at stake here.

Tell me what YOU would do with a '5 Laser Turret and that's it' ship? This is no T1 we're talking about. Think about it.

The Eagle has at least seen changes (+115 Power Grid, for one)

The Munnin has at least seen changes (+1 Low Slot, lost a utility High but among Cruiser roles that's trending) .

You can't buff the entire field (from the frigate line up) and expect a previously 'okay to merely decent' ship to remain competitive (or even desirable).

You know what a Zealot is? Know a T1 Omen pulls the same DPS now? Know the Navy Omen IS 'the new Zealot'?

Which other HAC could get reliably solo'd by any T1 frigate?

Which HAC has as its direct counter a 6 day old in a Crucifier with two drones?

So, what should be (and once was as intended) the ultimate Amarrian Cruiser Sized Turret Only Boat doesn't get a drone bay, a utility high, a spare mid slot for even a web and no tracking bonuses to the worst tracking guns in the game and goes from being at least 'fast' to near the back of the pack on speed, overnight?

What?

Disclaimer: I'm not asking for a drone bay, a utility high or a spare mid slot - that would be a 'radical' change. That might even be biased and reaching. I'm down with the uniquely one-trick nature of the Zealot. Just make it at least good and distinct at that one trick.

How is this not reasonable?

I remain baffled and kinda horrified.

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I think that rolling the tracking bonus into a ship that already has such fantastic damage projection would be a little overpowered. You can already hit perfectly out past 40k, and by adding a tracking bonus you're making it damn near impossible for tacklers to actually hold you down. Essentially turning the Zealot into a large Coercer (please try holding one down with a scram and web). Having a ship that can nearly perfectly apply its DPS anywhere within 40km would make its hard counter TD's, and we already see far too many of those.

There's nothing anywhere that says ships have to be great at both solo and fleet combat, and there are plenty that are amazing at one and lousy at the other and that's fine.