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Vin Kuntzininov
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-08-21 18:27:43 UTC
Short answer: Try everything even if it costs you a few ships and don't join a corp right away. Try to discover what you consider to be fun, as others have said, it's a game, approach it that way.

What works for me:

I use my main to rotate between mission running (primary), exploring data and relic sights, a small bit of mining, then I either reprocess or sell the loot I find to supply extra isk and my ammunition. Being new to the game understand this rotation for you would be a long term goal. I have been playing off and on since 2006, more off than on.

I use my alts to let my hair down and go out and raise a little heck if you will. I get killed almost all the time. I use frigates to go out and challenge people or my favorite is to play hide and seek while having fun banter in local. They almost always catch me but I must say if I'm respectful to my adversary I can get an explanation of what I did wrong and actually make a few friends along the way. Of course I fund my alt operation from my main and fly cheap stuff.

Just recently I learned some new tactics to survive in low and nullsec which has opened a whole new world for me. If I decide not to pester people and use these tactics I can come across some rather serious exploration loot at data and relic sights and actually live longer in low and nullsec. I got real brave and even took my main in to nullsec and found it a pretty nice place to "hang out" and I even made it back to empire alive with no losses....this time! :)

I actually consider myself an experienced noob if that makes since because as I said, I've played since 2006 off and on but quite a bit more off than on. Being older in real life I find real life takes me away from the game quite a bit so joining a corp that has high expectations of it's members is not a good fit for me. There are several times when I have to log off mid stream as in right in the middle of a mission and won't be back in time to finish it.

I will end this ramble with try different things then whatever is the most fun for you, focus on it and enjoy!
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#22 - 2013-08-21 21:24:32 UTC
I don't see that anyone has linked the What to Do in EVE Online chart yet. I still look at it once if a while if what I'm currently doing gets old.
Ruby Pyrenne
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-08-21 21:40:04 UTC
Thank you kindly everyone.

  http://rubypyrenne.wordpress.com/ part III posted @ 12 sept 2013

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-08-23 08:07:01 UTC
Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
This is what I myself figured.

It's great to fly everything, but how much are you worth when you can sit in them with limited skill and ship sustain in the shapes of it's modules right?

Furthermore, the prospect of being a 'frontline grunt' does not necessarily fit with what I had in mind.

I'm also not entirely sure if the political aspects of nullsec appeal to me, but that just requires me to spend more time with the game - it does seem to be, as far as I can tell, the most beneficial zone in New Eden to be in.

If anyone else can share further insights, please do so, I really appreciate all the feedback I currently have recieved so far.

For my training path, I decided to be able to sit in a Drake (Caldari BC) for mission running. Once I was able to do that, I started bumping ALL my core skills to 5, while flying around in cruisers/frigates/t2 frigates for my PVP. After those were done, I went on to other races.

If you don't like being being a frontline grunt, don't be one. Try it out though, as you may (or may not) learn something about fleet movement, baiting, setting traps etc in PVP.

I wouldn't say nullsec is the most beneficial zone to be in. Personally I found it boring and most players there are a bit paranoid. Lowsec is still one of the better areas to be in, especially FW zones. It's all subjective though.
Ruby Pyrenne
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-08-23 08:30:46 UTC
Indeed, being a low sp frontliner leaves me the impression I will serve as a meatshield; a spunge to soak the initial damage while the remainder of a more experienced fleet goes to town on enemies.

I would much rather experience my first combat in a position where you share the battlefield with alot of equals, both friendly and hostile and RvB seems to be a prime choice.

For lowsec: most nullsec is connected to lowsec, am I right to assume so?
I downloaded and printed Ombey 2d maps yesterday and glancing at that (a big thanks to Ombey by the way for putting in such tremendous effort) I noticed null goes to null or most of the time, lowsec.

That way I should be able to get the best of both worlds, as long as I stay aware of the gatecamps that seem to frequent the borders of null- to lowsec.

Luckily my browsing of the recruitment forum yesterday had me ending up in the public chat of a friendly group of people that live in nullsec, with a mindset and playstyle that will match with mine.

I'm sticking in their channel until I have a couple - to me- mandatory things trained up and will take the plunge into the wild then.

Needless to say, I can't wait.

Perhaps RvB first, but I feel my future lies outside of highsec.

  http://rubypyrenne.wordpress.com/ part III posted @ 12 sept 2013

Robbin Sund
#26 - 2013-08-23 11:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Robbin Sund
Like a few probably alread said.
Stay in the newbie corp for a while to avoid war with other corps. I am still in mine, its a fun and nice chat most of the time.

If you want to have a time to read up on everything but still want to have some sort of income, go mining.
Its always a steady income to fall back to if everything else blows, easy cash and good for starting while you try to figure out the rest. : )
Or mission running, starting to pay off at level 2 for a newbie wich you get to rather fast.
This is just to get your assets up if you are unsure on what to do.
Me? I am still a newbie also, but on 10 different fields instead, so much to do, ;) learning something new everyday.

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Lady Areola Fappington
#27 - 2013-08-23 12:05:00 UTC
Here's my tip, coming from the "bad" side of EVE.

When thinking about your future EVE life, think outside the box. EVE doesn't limit you to a specific profession. Imagine different things you wish you could do in RL, and see if you can apply it to EVE.

Ever wanted to be a mustache twirling bad-guy? You can do it in EVE. We even have a ready supply of prey.
How about a James Bond type spy? Alliances live on information in this game, and you can sell info just as well as veldspar....
Extortion racket? You can do it. Become your own capo!
Bernie Madoff your secret role-model? Try a Ponzi scheme in EVE! Bonus: You won't go to jail!


What I'm getting at is, don't play the tutorials and go "Whelp, that's all there is, this sucks!" EVE, at it's heart, is a game about interacting with people. It just has a spaceship backdrop.

Good luck, and if you ever feel like indulging in your bad-guy side, drop me a line!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-08-23 12:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
Don't listen to the poster 2 posts above mine (#26). Bad advice all round.

Staying in newbie corps will give you brain rot from all the stupid advice (similar to previous poster) given out there.

Read up, then go DO IT. Mining as a 'side income' does nothing for your, is ridiculously low on gains compared to other things you could be doing, and takes away from your training up to combat ships. 'Steady income' more suited to a combat pilot, like you seem to be training for, would be basic exploration, hitting up anomalies, missions etc, which utilize more of the SP you trained instead of getting sidetracked.

Just correcting one thing though, you would not be so much a 'meatshield' as just another gun on the field. Fleet commander calls out a primary, secondary etc, you lock it up and hit F1. Smaller gangs utilize your personal skills a bit more, and SP also factors into it. Not to say that SP is a BIG factor, just one of them. Knowledge of game mechanics and experience and keeping calm under pressure/fire etc. are what make a pilot succeed in PVP, and small gang combat will teach you that much faster than being a regular F1 monkey.

Yes, most nullsec connect to lowsec. Keep in mind there are anomalies, where you can jump straight into nullsec from a highsec system, but those are rare. Second thing is, those border systems (null-low/low-hi/null-hi) will normally be camped, so if you're planning to move into nullsec, always scout ahead, do some preparatory work to find out what campers live there, their active times etc. and move in during their off-peak times.

By all means, give RVB a go, I've heard good things about them and while they may not necessarily hold your hand throughout, the opportunity to learn is always good. Another thing you can look out for is Agony Unleashed's PVP classes. They cost ISK, but will give you a good grasp of the basics such as fittings all the way up to advanced tactics etc.

EDIT: posted before i could post.
Ruby Pyrenne
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-08-23 12:06:47 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
Like a few probably alread said.
Stay in the newbie corp for a while to avoid war with other corps. I am still in mine, its a fun and nice chat most of the time.

If you want to have a time to read up on everything but still want to have some sort of income, go mining.
Its always a steady income to fall back to if everything else blows, easy cash and good for starting while you try to figure out the rest. : )
Or mission running, starting to pay off at level 2 for a newbie wich you get to rather fast.
This is just to get your assets up if you are unsure on what to do.
Me? I am still a newbie also, but on 10 different fields instead, so much to do, ;) learning something new everyday.


Indeed, I wont join a corp anytime soon.

I have set myself a small time-framed schedule to get what I consider the very basics before going places.

In the meantime, I read.
I read so much it's silly.
In fact I am at work now, one of my dullest weeks ever, fortunately, since I get to spend my time freely, thus googling and wiki'ing to my hearts content while at the same time inspecting and printing guides (the benefits of my workspace, high quality printing and binding of bookwerks) others have made or pointed out to me.

While I'm home, I do my SoE arc, or mine a bit while I watch PvP video's - namely Aldap and similar. That content is very informative and is played out with ships eve new players can fly.

By the time my schedule completes, I will have a fairly substantial amount of homework done and will be more prepared than I would have been otherwise.

  http://rubypyrenne.wordpress.com/ part III posted @ 12 sept 2013

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-23 12:10:12 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
Indeed, I wont join a corp anytime soon.

I have set myself a small time-framed schedule to get what I consider the very basics before going places.

In the meantime, I read.
I read so much it's silly.
In fact I am at work now, one of my dullest weeks ever, fortunately, since I get to spend my time freely, thus googling and wiki'ing to my hearts content while at the same time inspecting and printing guides (the benefits of my workspace, high quality printing and binding of bookwerks) others have made or pointed out to me.

While I'm home, I do my SoE arc, or mine a bit while I watch PvP video's - namely Aldap and similar. That content is very informative and is played out with ships eve new players can fly.

By the time my schedule completes, I will have a fairly substantial amount of homework done and will be more prepared than I would have been otherwise.

Getting into a GOOD corporation that develops their new players, gives them advice and works with them to maximise their potential is better than staying in NPC corps. Don't join 'Newbie corps' where the CEO and directors have no clue. For more information, look up Nightcrawler 85's guides on joining good corporations.

While you're at work on a slowday, another timewaster is Eve Fitting Tools, and EVEMon. Those are ship fitting tools for your to try out different fits and a skillpoint planner respectively. You can also load up your API so it updates with your current skills.

Good for you on the reading up bit, but remember, all the theory in the world will never amount to anything if you do not actually experience it first hand.

DO look into joining a player corporation when you find the right fit, since they will help a new player's experience of the game more than anything else.
Ruby Pyrenne
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-08-23 12:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Pyrenne
lollerwaffle wrote:

Getting into a GOOD corporation that develops their new players, gives them advice and works with them to maximise their potential is better than staying in NPC corps. Don't join 'Newbie corps' where the CEO and directors have no clue. For more information, look up Nightcrawler 85's guides on joining good corporations.

While you're at work on a slowday, another timewaster is Eve Fitting Tools, and EVEMon. Those are ship fitting tools for your to try out different fits and a skillpoint planner respectively. You can also load up your API so it updates with your current skills.

Good for you on the reading up bit, but remember, all the theory in the world will never amount to anything if you do not actually experience it first hand.

DO look into joining a player corporation when you find the right fit, since they will help a new player's experience of the game more than anything else.

Loller, we seem to be on a very similar page.

I intend to join a established corp, perhaps something that may prove troublesome at my age, but i'd rather stay NPC'd longer than joining a corp that's trying out management for the first time.

Luckily, corp-'resumes' of sorts can be found browsing forums, google and the like - sometimes even Wiki.

EVEmon, I recently installed that, and since my enthousiasm made me open a second account yesterday, I threw API keys and build plans in it already.
It works wonderful and even shows me how much time I can save should I decide to remap.

EVE Fitting Tool, I've read about that and it sounds like a good addition to my slowly increasing amount of resources.
If it does what I think it does it's a must-have for the likes of me.

Lastly, correct, I do not expect theory to teach me practice, but it will hold my hand when practicing my theory so to speak.
i'm learning about sensorstrength, tracking, signature radius, speed and its benefits/downsides, racial differences and ECM in all it's forms.

Once I begin actual fights, I should have a little help from my eagerness to learn.

Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Good luck, and if you ever feel like indulging in your bad-guy side, drop me a line!


A kind offer, and maybe I will pay a visit to your public channel, should you have one, even if it's just to say hello and thank you.

  http://rubypyrenne.wordpress.com/ part III posted @ 12 sept 2013

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-08-23 12:38:32 UTC
Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
Loller, we seem to be on a very similar page.

I intend to join a established corp, perhaps something that may prove troublesome at my age, but i'd rather stay NPC'd longer than joining a corp that's trying out management for the first time.

Luckily, corp-'resumes' of sorts can be found browsing forums, google and the like - sometimes even Wiki.

EVEmon, I recently installed that, and since my enthousiasm made me open a second account yesterday, I threw API keys and build plans in it already.
It works wonderful and even shows me how much time I can save should I decide to remap.

EVE Fitting Tool, I've read about that and it sounds like a good addition to my slowly increasing amount of resources.
If it does what I think it does it's a must-have for the likes of me.

Lastly, correct, I do not expect theory to teach me practice, but it will hold my hand when practicing my theory so to speak.
i'm learning about sensorstrength, tracking, signature radius, speed and its benefits/downsides, racial differences and ECM in all it's forms.

Once I begin actual fights, I should have a little help from my eagerness to learn.

Trust me, your first few forays into the world of PVP will end so quickly and all that sensor strength/tracking sig radius stuff will go out the window as you frantically mash your mouse buttons and hotkeys trying to stay alive Lol

Then as you move past the battleshakes, as we call them, you start putting those things into play and spending more time on your fits optimizing them to your liking.

Definitely download EFT. Just be careful not to fall into the 'looks good on paper' crap you see EFT warriors with little to no combat experience spouting.

By all means, take your time picking your corp, and finding people with similar interest that you click with is way more important than getting into an 'elite' corp. Me? I've been part of a very small alliance with a core of about 10-15 people for almost 7-8 years. We may not be the best, but have fun flying with each other and throwing around banter and giving each other shlt for silly mistakes. That, is what makes EVE worthwhile playing, IMO.

Another way to look for a corp is, fly around in lowsec (seems to be where you may end up eventually), and engage some potential targets, or get into fights. Strike up conversations after the fight, ask your opponents for tips, what you did wrong and other stuff like that. They may recruit you into their corp if they like your attitude and think you have potential, or they may not. Either way, nothing to lose, everything to gain.
Lady Areola Fappington
#33 - 2013-08-23 12:55:13 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
Loller, we seem to be on a very similar page.

I intend to join a established corp, perhaps something that may prove troublesome at my age, but i'd rather stay NPC'd longer than joining a corp that's trying out management for the first time.

Luckily, corp-'resumes' of sorts can be found browsing forums, google and the like - sometimes even Wiki.

EVEmon, I recently installed that, and since my enthousiasm made me open a second account yesterday, I threw API keys and build plans in it already.
It works wonderful and even shows me how much time I can save should I decide to remap.

EVE Fitting Tool, I've read about that and it sounds like a good addition to my slowly increasing amount of resources.
If it does what I think it does it's a must-have for the likes of me.

Lastly, correct, I do not expect theory to teach me practice, but it will hold my hand when practicing my theory so to speak.
i'm learning about sensorstrength, tracking, signature radius, speed and its benefits/downsides, racial differences and ECM in all it's forms.

Once I begin actual fights, I should have a little help from my eagerness to learn.

Trust me, your first few forays into the world of PVP will end so quickly and all that sensor strength/tracking sig radius stuff will go out the window as you frantically mash your mouse buttons and hotkeys trying to stay alive Lol

Then as you move past the battleshakes, as we call them, you start putting those things into play and spending more time on your fits optimizing them to your liking.

Definitely download EFT. Just be careful not to fall into the 'looks good on paper' crap you see EFT warriors with little to no combat experience spouting.

By all means, take your time picking your corp, and finding people with similar interest that you click with is way more important than getting into an 'elite' corp. Me? I've been part of a very small alliance with a core of about 10-15 people for almost 7-8 years. We may not be the best, but have fun flying with each other and throwing around banter and giving each other shlt for silly mistakes. That, is what makes EVE worthwhile playing, IMO.

Another way to look for a corp is, fly around in lowsec (seems to be where you may end up eventually), and engage some potential targets, or get into fights. Strike up conversations after the fight, ask your opponents for tips, what you did wrong and other stuff like that. They may recruit you into their corp if they like your attitude and think you have potential, or they may not. Either way, nothing to lose, everything to gain.




Ohh quit teasing him. You know his first PVP foray will consist of mashing F1 going "MAH GUNS MAH GUNS FIAR NOW!!!" while that little green light glows all happily in the HUD....

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Ruby Pyrenne
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-23 13:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Pyrenne
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Ohh quit teasing him. You know his first PVP foray will consist of mashing F1 going "MAH GUNS MAH GUNS FIAR NOW!!!" while that little green light glows all happily in the HUD....


Ohohohohohohoh you bet your bottoms that when I'm the mood for 'Fayrin' mah las0rs' I will spam that safety off 14 jumps out Twisted

EDIT: The more I look at my avatar (which I must add, I am very happy with) the more eager I become to be relatively mean for a moment.

The idea of shooting someone else thrills.

And if that fails, I will start shooting rocks in a vengeance (new ships have to come from somewhere as youngster).

  http://rubypyrenne.wordpress.com/ part III posted @ 12 sept 2013

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-08-23 14:42:31 UTC
Ruby Pyrenne wrote:
Ohohohohohohoh you bet your bottoms that when I'm the mood for 'Fayrin' mah las0rs' I will spam that safety off 14 jumps out Twisted

EDIT: The more I look at my avatar (which I must add, I am very happy with) the more eager I become to be relatively mean for a moment.

The idea of shooting someone else thrills.

And if that fails, I will start shooting rocks in a vengeance (new ships have to come from somewhere as youngster).

Early game shooting at other people: Start with suicide catalyst/destroyers in hisec against untanked barges. Lol J/K

Good luck and good hunting! o/
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#36 - 2013-08-29 11:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Reading through the thread I wanted to mention there are a lot of lowsec corps where a newbie can do more then just tackle and DIAF. Since the last T1 rebalances, all T1 ships have become very viable in many (support) roles. A lowsec corp worth it's salt isn't supposed to use you as mere cannon fodder, doing so exclusively I find quite shortsighted.

Corps retain more players if those players feel valued, and have a sense they are learning something valuable. As an FC I'd aim to let newbro's enter a fight when it's already underway, diminishing the chance they get alpha'd right from the start. Webbing, tracking disruption, target painting, logistics... all roles that are quick enough to skill into and very viable at the T1 level.

There is no need to limit newbies to tackle jobs and force them to be the first ship the enemy can actually shoot at. I never understood why people send their least experienced members for the opening moves of a fight, if you could have an EWAR wave of newbros warp in on whatever your fleet got pointed. Think about it: the veteran player probably has a better natural tank / lock time and better understanding of how to mitigate damage.
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