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Where are the drone implants?
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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-08-23 06:07:57 UTC
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
Using heavy drones in PvE was a waste of time before the AI change.



this....flight time sucked. And with crap tracking they were only marginally better than sentries for killing small stuff.

And you had to still keep them close to the boat in case of new wave aggro changes. Or know after running the mission a few times when to recall them before triggers hit since if all the way out if the next wave was massive enough....they were dying on the way back if they got tagged with aggro. So you'd recall before hitting trigger. pop the trigger with guns/sentries, wait for drone boat to get aggro then send them out again.

Why most jsut popped sentries, saved time. Not sure where they get this era of the heavies. I was in several alliances and maybe 2 out of 10 carrier pilots trained heavies for anything. When most carrier pilots blew off heavies....I took it as a sign lol. Especially thanny pilots...you can assume an hour or 2 was spent in domi's to help pay for the thanny.
zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#42 - 2013-08-23 06:20:33 UTC
+1 to imps BUT everyone forgets about imba omnis. 3 fednavy on domi and gardes have 86km of optimal and 0.103 tracking for now. need to make omnis like TC , 15% instead of 25 . use capacitor . and have scripts. and only after that we can talk about imps

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Mugster
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-08-23 11:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mugster
I dont think there is a real need for implants that increases drone damage, tracking, range across the board.
I do however think, there should be options, examples below.

Minion Ltd 'Overclocker' UD-820 -20% salvage drone cycle duration.
Minion Ltd 'Motivator' MD-920 +20% Flightspeed for mining and harvester drones.
Minion Ltd 'Terminator' ED-705+10% signature bonus for light and heavy target painter drones
Minion Ltd 'Reflux' ED-1015 +15% bonuss to engery neutralizer drone drain ammount.
Minion Ltd 'Backup' AR-605 +5 km control range of armor maintenance bots

The numbers are just thrown violently around, with little regard to balance.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-08-23 12:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Whitehound wrote:
Introducing drone implants will mean that the drone DPS has to be scaled down first. Are you sure you want this?


Sure, as long as I get to target individual weapons on other ships and get to blow them up. Smartbombs blowing up your weapons would be nice too .. oh and lets not forget, if you warp away without retracting your weapons, you should lose them too. It's only fair if you want to compare apples to apples.

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Stjaerna Ramundson
#45 - 2013-08-23 13:57:55 UTC
[quote=Andrew Indy
I'm not sure if you can call that cherry picking. I used highest DPS large drones vs the highest DPS Lasers (I'm a laser user so i'm most familiar with them)

If I really wanted to cherry pick I would have used the lower DPS drone types IE Curator IIs (with the bonuses above they get 650 DPS)

I'll compare in more depth if you would like but I don't think that I can be bother to compare every single Drone Vs every single Gun, but please feel free to do that it you wish.

All of these figures Assume 4X T2 DPS Mods, and a standard weapon bonus (5% for Guns and 10% for Drones per lvl) all LVL5s and a full rack (8 Guns , 5 drones) .[/quote]

This calculation of dps is all right and nice and all ... but .. this not realy shows that drones are better....

example:

Vindicator vs. Drake (1200 dps vs. 400 dps)

The Vindicator lose the hunt for bounty's cause of the extrem short range, while the Drake shoots in higher range.
(This test i got told from a Alli member of us cause talking about dmg but, didn't have something to do with this fread but it hit the same problem that is sampling the dps systems to compare.

So the same is with our 800 dps from the garde, a drone pilot lose a high amount of dps. Another Pilot i was doing a lvl 4 Angel Extra (Tengu) with around 500 dps beaten me up.
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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-08-23 14:06:32 UTC
Vindicator vs drake sounds a lot like club vs seal pup to me.

vindicator 's dps is closer to 1800 than 1200.

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Stjaerna Ramundson
#47 - 2013-08-23 14:58:17 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Vindicator vs drake sounds a lot like club vs seal pup to me.

vindicator 's dps is closer to 1800 than 1200.


... why do 95% of all english speaking forums talking about this? (In every forum of other games the same...)

Let the fakt be, that the vindicator with 1800 or 3000 dps don't beat the drake because of lack of range. Thats the argument in the statement.

Additional it is a done test of a alli member so what other can get on the vindicator doesn't matter.

Extra the post does not help anything to this thread, so I would not wonder why my and your post will be deleted by a admin/mod or something else.
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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-08-23 15:23:39 UTC
Forgive me, perhaps I did not understand the gist of your post. The fault is mine.

And I thought the "club vs seal pup" joke would make a few people smile (in a naughty kind of way) Smile

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#49 - 2013-08-26 02:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Stjaerna Ramundson wrote:

So the same is with our 800 dps from the garde, a drone pilot lose a high amount of dps. Another Pilot i was doing a lvl 4 Angel Extra (Tengu) with around 500 dps beaten me up.


Not sure what you are getting at. I was saying that drones need Implants so you are somewhat supporting me by saying drones are not so OP that they don't need them.
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#50 - 2013-08-26 04:00:11 UTC
Mugster wrote:
I dont think there is a real need for implants that increases drone damage, tracking, range across the board.
I do however think, there should be options, examples below.

Minion Ltd 'Overclocker' UD-820 -20% salvage drone cycle duration.
Minion Ltd 'Motivator' MD-920 +20% Flightspeed for mining and harvester drones.
Minion Ltd 'Terminator' ED-705+10% signature bonus for light and heavy target painter drones
Minion Ltd 'Reflux' ED-1015 +15% bonuss to engery neutralizer drone drain ammount.
Minion Ltd 'Backup' AR-605 +5 km control range of armor maintenance bots

The numbers are just thrown violently around, with little regard to balance.




This seems like the right track. I doubt adding these would effect the balance they set up. Might also make non-ecm EWAR drones worth using. Obviously the numbers would have to be crunched to find the optimal % of increase from the implants.
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