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whats with the ganking?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2013-08-23 05:00:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Sathe Wanera wrote:
OP, EVE is full of unloved immature kids and adults that have no life or understanding the value of being mature.
Quit EVE and come play other mmorpg games that will be worth your time. Tera, Aion, and some other good game is full od good and mature players. Especially in their forum under general discussions.

Trollers, please dont say that's EVE..... It not EVE... it the bad players that drive it that way.

[Sandbox]

Sandboxes can be bad as well. Sometimes you need to buff ships if they are being ganked. Like mining barges.

This just in, in the next expansion, provisionally titled "Hello Kitty", all ORE vessels will have the following basic stats :

Statistics
Structure
Structure hit points : 1249999
Capacity : 1,250,000 m3
Drone Capacity : 1500 m3
Drone Bandwidth : 400 Mbit/S
Mass : 1,000,000 kg
Volume : 20,400.0 m3 ( 2,500.0 m3 packaged)
Inertia Modifier : 3.1
EM Damage Resistance : 0%
Explosive Damage Resistance : 0%
Kinetic Damage Resistance : 0%
Thermal Damage Resistance : 0%
Armor
Armor hit points : 10000
Armor EM Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Armor Explosive Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Armor Kinetic Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Armor Thermal Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Shield
Shield hit points : 6250
Shield recharge time : 3.00 seconds
Shield EM Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Shield Explosive Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Shield Thermal Damage Resistance : 99.9%
Capacitor
Capacity : 6875
Recharge time : 515.63 Sec.
Targeting
Maximum targeting range : 55 km
Maximum locked targets : 3
Scan resolution : 750 mm
Ladar sensor strength : 100 points
Magnetometric sensor strength : 100 points
Radar sensor strength : 100 points
Gravimetric sensor strength : 100 points
Signature radius : 30 m
Other
Max velocity : 2,500 m/sec
Ship Warp Speed : 62.0 AU/S
Warp Core Strength : ∞
Power Grid : 200,000 MW
CPU : 6000 tf

Yield bonuses, high, medium and low slots will be customisable in the NEX store. An AI pilot will also be available for the small sum of 4 PLEX p/m.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2013-08-23 05:09:32 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
High, medium and low slots will be customisable in the NEX store.



What, no Hull Resists? Mate, we need to bring that into balance. At least 85% base Hull Resists seems reasonable, right? After all, it's a civilian ship; why should a military one be able to destroy it in safe space?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2013-08-23 05:13:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

What, no Hull Resists? Mate, we need to bring that into balance. At least 85% base Hull Resists seems reasonable, right? After all, it's a civilian ship; why should a military one be able to destroy it in safe space?

Dammit Ruby, you're right again. Although I think we could get away with stacking suitcases on a civilian ship instead, no military bureaucracy to deal with.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#24 - 2013-08-23 05:59:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

What, no Hull Resists? Mate, we need to bring that into balance. At least 85% base Hull Resists seems reasonable, right? After all, it's a civilian ship; why should a military one be able to destroy it in safe space?

Dammit Ruby, you're right again. Although I think we could get away with stacking suitcases on a civilian ship instead, no military bureaucracy to deal with.



Cargo tanks can be significant. Lets see, per the Warsaw Convention for Rules relating to International Carriage by air, the carrier is liable for a minimum of 17 Special Drawing Rights per kilogram of lost luggage. Assuming Luggage is as effective an armor per unit mass as steel is (above a certain projectile velocity, the physical properties of the armor material stop really mattering in comparison to the mass of the armor in the way of the projectile: see Newton's approximation for Impact depth), we get 3,000 EHP per 3,750,000kg, or 1,250kg per Armor HP provided.

That means each point of Armor HP the luggage provides costs 21,250 SDR, or about $32,270 USD. Which really isn't bad once you think of the cost of a Tech 1 Armor plate, at 305 ISK per point of Armor HP.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-08-23 06:06:33 UTC
Bellatrix Schlampke wrote:
I'm looking at http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com
And i can't help but notis the increase of orca's being blown up.
if i look at corpses kill history august has really shown a high increase.

Could somebody explain to me whats the high sec increase of ganking?
Also freighters with nothing inside are being targeted.
Just blowing things up for...



Take away the boosts and the transport capacity = more goon Ice in the trade hubs.

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#26 - 2013-08-23 06:07:11 UTC
Well, like they say in German: "Leichte Schläge auf dem Hinterkopf erhöhen das Denkvermögen!" which loosely translated means "Small smacks on the back of the head increase thinking potential!" more or less. Denkvermögen is actually two words fused into one, like often in the German language. "denken" is "to think" and "Vermögen" can mean "wealth" or "property" but if it is not a verb, but a substantive it can mean "possible" or "capable of", but is rarely used in that context.

I digress... this is for the best of all of EVE. It will make you smarter!

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ﾉ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-08-23 06:16:12 UTC
It should take you about two minutes of looking at the titles of threads in general to work this one out for yourself.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2013-08-23 06:36:04 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Cargo tanks can be significant. Lets see, per the Warsaw Convention for Rules relating to International Carriage by air, the carrier is liable for a minimum of 17 Special Drawing Rights per kilogram of lost luggage. Assuming Luggage is as effective an armor per unit mass as steel is (above a certain projectile velocity, the physical properties of the armor material stop really mattering in comparison to the mass of the armor in the way of the projectile: see Newton's approximation for Impact depth), we get 3,000 EHP per 3,750,000kg, or 1,250kg per Armor HP provided.

That means each point of Armor HP the luggage provides costs 21,250 SDR, or about $32,270 USD. Which really isn't bad once you think of the cost of a Tech 1 Armor plate, at 305 ISK per point of Armor HP.

Not quite the suitcases I meant, but that works fine.

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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#29 - 2013-08-23 06:48:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

What, no Hull Resists? Mate, we need to bring that into balance. At least 85% base Hull Resists seems reasonable, right? After all, it's a civilian ship; why should a military one be able to destroy it in safe space?

Dammit Ruby, you're right again. Although I think we could get away with stacking suitcases on a civilian ship instead, no military bureaucracy to deal with.
You aren't seriously expecting someone to give up maximum mining yield in favour of fitting a tank are you? No, Rubz is right. The resists need to be built-in to prevent any thought going into the fit.

Who put the goat in there?
Robbin Sund
#30 - 2013-08-23 06:48:33 UTC
They need to step up the game even more.
The prices for my ore I mine is not high enough, they do a rather bad job in giving my wallet a good time

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
Robbin Sund
#31 - 2013-08-23 06:49:41 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

What, no Hull Resists? Mate, we need to bring that into balance. At least 85% base Hull Resists seems reasonable, right? After all, it's a civilian ship; why should a military one be able to destroy it in safe space?

Dammit Ruby, you're right again. Although I think we could get away with stacking suitcases on a civilian ship instead, no military bureaucracy to deal with.
You aren't seriously expecting someone to give up maximum mining yield in favour of fitting a tank are you? No, Rubz is right. The resists need to be built-in to prevent any thought going into the fit.


Yield first, safety last, look at the japs and russians nuclear plants, they had a really nice yield!

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#32 - 2013-08-23 07:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Cargo tanks can be significant. Lets see, per the Warsaw Convention for Rules relating to International Carriage by air, the carrier is liable for a minimum of 17 Special Drawing Rights per kilogram of lost luggage. Assuming Luggage is as effective an armor per unit mass as steel is (above a certain projectile velocity, the physical properties of the armor material stop really mattering in comparison to the mass of the armor in the way of the projectile: see Newton's approximation for Impact depth), we get 3,000 EHP per 3,750,000kg, or 1,250kg per Armor HP provided.

That means each point of Armor HP the luggage provides costs 21,250 SDR, or about $32,270 USD. Which really isn't bad once you think of the cost of a Tech 1 Armor plate, at 305 ISK per point of Armor HP.

Not quite the suitcases I meant, but that works fine.



Given an extremely conservative estimation of 1 ISK = 1 Million USD:

A DC II costs 648 Billion USD, and increases the EHP of an Erebus by 1.2 Million Structure EHP.
1.2 Million Luggage HP costs only 38.7 Billion USD, and adds 1.5 Billion kg to the Erebus's base 2.38 Billion kg mass.


No matter how you slice it, Luggage is the most cost effective tank, since I don't think there's a ship with more base structure, and the smaller the base structure, the less EHP the DC II adds and the farther ahead Luggage pulls.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-08-23 07:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
So luggage is better value for money than a DCII.

WTB luggage in bulk, premium price paid if the luggage is made from sapient pearwood.

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-23 08:44:59 UTC
It;s kinda funny to see how Concord deals with outlaws in EVE. Is like your going in downtown and kill some fat bankers nor politicians then the only consequences is that you cannot use public transportation and if your walk on streets people can kill you but not the police... this is the every anarchist dream come true in a video game :D

Personally I don't have issues with miners as they work for their money (afk or not, it's the game mechanics), but I wish that I could gank over and over all those scamming/spamming bots in Jita. Is why I support WiS.. just to be able to walk around in Jita and **** to death every bot :S
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#35 - 2013-08-23 08:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Mhax Arthie wrote:
It;s kinda funny to see how Concord deals with outlaws in EVE. Is like your going in downtown and kill some fat bankers nor politicians then the only consequences is that you cannot use public transportation and if your walk on streets people can kill you but not the police... this is the every anarchist dream come true in a video game :D

Personally I don't have issues with miners as they work for their money (afk or not, it's the game mechanics), but I wish that I could gank over and over all those scamming/spamming bots in Jita. Is why I support WiS.. just to be able to walk around in Jita and **** to death every bot :S


Confirming that gankers/scammers being vulnerable to WiS mechanics would be the best thing ever; group of Concord running around stations comes in a close second.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#36 - 2013-08-23 08:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
S Byerley wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
It;s kinda funny to see how Concord deals with outlaws in EVE. Is like your going in downtown and kill some fat bankers nor politicians then the only consequences is that you cannot use public transportation and if your walk on streets people can kill you but not the police... this is the every anarchist dream come true in a video game :D

Personally I don't have issues with miners as they work for their money (afk or not, it's the game mechanics), but I wish that I could gank over and over all those scamming/spamming bots in Jita. Is why I support WiS.. just to be able to walk around in Jita and **** to death every bot :S


Confirming that gankers/scammers being vulnerable to WiS mechanics would be the best thing ever; group of Concord running around stations comes in a close second.

Shoot the popo, then systematically beat the scammers with alloyed tritanium bars. Everyone's a winner Lol

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Pretty Suzie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-08-23 09:18:40 UTC
Not that I bother logging in to play, just sp online atm, but I don't get the hate for endemic piracy, ganking and scamming, surely it's that sort of thing that brought most people to the game, nobody read breathless articles in pc gamer on the exciting high sec mining content.

Miners and Freighter pilots especially should be thankful for some reason to look at the game they are paying to play once more, as the majority of those 'players' have their own motto for eve: log in, tab out.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-08-23 14:17:37 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Well, like they say in German: "Leichte Schläge auf dem Hinterkopf erhöhen das Denkvermögen!" which loosely translated means "Small smacks on the back of the head increase thinking potential!" more or less. Denkvermögen is actually two words fused into one, like often in the German language. "denken" is "to think" and "Vermögen" can mean "wealth" or "property" but if it is not a verb, but a substantive it can mean "possible" or "capable of", but is rarely used in that context.

I digress... this is for the best of all of EVE. It will make you smarter!



Well a word can have different meanings based on the context of the sentence it is used in.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-08-23 14:21:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mhax Arthie wrote:
It;s kinda funny to see how Concord deals with outlaws in EVE. Is like your going in downtown and kill some fat bankers nor politicians then the only consequences is that you cannot use public transportation and if your walk on streets people can kill you but not the police... this is the every anarchist dream come true in a video game :D

Personally I don't have issues with miners as they work for their money (afk or not, it's the game mechanics), but I wish that I could gank over and over all those scamming/spamming bots in Jita. Is why I support WiS.. just to be able to walk around in Jita and **** to death every bot :S


Confirming that gankers/scammers being vulnerable to WiS mechanics would be the best thing ever; group of Concord running around stations comes in a close second.

Shoot the popo, then systematically beat the scammers with alloyed tritanium bars. Everyone's a winner Lol


Better yet with WiS. Convert a few hundred million isk into small coin currency then throw the scammer into a small container and start pouring the coins till he is neck deep. "I thought you wanted isk, so here is your isk."
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-08-23 14:37:22 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Because goons.

Grrr Durr Goons.

Improved.


This just in, Doc Fury has declared war on the entire GoonSwarm Federation.

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