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The difference being that I am legally bound to not provide proof, he is not.

That sort of seems to validate some of my concerns about how the CSM is acting then, doesn't it? I mean, unless you're going to refute something related to the NDA.. such as how much money CCP has on hand.. or specific internal conversations with CCP that I've somehow not referenced.. then you're pretty much blowing yourself up to be more than you are, aren't you?

I don't know for sure. Maybe you are. It doesn't seem like it though. I know that there's enough people bashing the CSM in that silly "CSM doesn't represent me" thread, and that's unfair since right now you guys are the only ones that are visibly out there for "the cause", but if you're not going to report what's happening to the people that you're advocating for, I think that makes you a pretty terrible player advocate.

Consider this, then. I may not know "the whole story", but I've spent maybe a dozen hours alone reading about what's going on, across the various blogs (Jester's, Seleene's, Robert's, The Mittani's, the various press sites that picked up the story yesterday, and many threads in this forum). Doesn't it seem ODD TO YOU that based on that much effort I still have "half the story" and the CSM won't elaborate on it when confronted with what they claim is not the truth? :/

I actually read everything that you wrote here and it was good up until, here:



While I do believe that people should do whatever they please with their money, (and I can't help but feel this was just an over-convoluted "I quit" thread), I am on the side of the fence that doesn't really see a whole lot of wrong going on in EVE (or with CCP). Maybe a little lacking on the FiS side of things, but I guess that's what you get after 5+ years of FiS material and "only" talk of WiS.

I think you're right in saying that a lot of people seem to be deluded and that The Mittani (along with a few other CSM members *cough*WhiteTree*cough*) is making a fool out of himself. But on my principles, my agenda and goals, I can't say that I am mad at CCP for anything, because everything that's been released this year, thus far, are things I've been waiting years for. (Aside from the NEX. I actually had no idea this was coming, but I'm pretty neutral on the subject, since every other game has an MT market and they're really not cause for problems or alarm, unless you put game-breaking material into them)

So, simpler terms, you guys had your turn for almost a decade, let the people who want station environments have a turn.

(Not that I have anything against FiS. I do it everyday.)

Don't get me wrong, all of this could have been done differently, maybe. But last I checked we were players who agreed to a EULA. We're not paying an extra fee for these expansions, so maybe we should decide to be grateful, instead of setting a match to the forums.

And if none of this convinces anyone that maybe a little bit of irrationality is going on here, and you still feel like taking your money to whatever other game you'd rather play, which will fulfill your needs for about a month, you know where The Door is.

Mittani is turning out to be the best CSM ever IMO.

To clarify myself - I'm not trying to come down on one particular side, which is why I made several mentions of basically having no investment to nullsec or what-have-you. I thought that the idea of WiS was neat when they were talking about it back when.. I was playing last. I thought that the CQ was cool, but when I tried to walk out of my cabin and got denied by the door, I frowned.

I'm not a 0.0 player. I can't pretend to know why people are so passionate about what's going on right now, but I can say that as an observer whatever the community is trying to get done, it seems like they are flopping around and not being very effective, and in general thinking a lot of things and giving themselves a lot of false confidence about their ability to leverage CCP into doing whatever they want. I just wanted to point those fallacies out, and give some ideas as to how they might want to proceed.

WiS is cool with me, so is FiS. I play this game to fly ships around and lament being so terrible at PvP and not having the time to devote to the game that I can't enjoy nullsec. But I don't think that the game should go in one direction or another save that it be in a direction that does not alienate the player base.

No what he said was why would CCP care about what players say when they continue to pay their subs, and their only form of hurf durf is to whine on the forums.

He makes a vaild point. You think CCP care how much you whine on the forums as long as you continue to pay your subs? This is my only account left, I gave CCP a chance after Iceland summit, but once I saw nothing changed I unsubbed this char and have given my money to perpetuum. Yes it's not Eve, or anywhere near as good atm, but I'd rather pay a company that I know is putting development into the game, and actually listening to player concerns.

As I always say, that's my opinion only.

You must be a noob. Burn Eden

I know what was said, I read it. Theres also a lotta CSM trying to be coy hinting at NDA things (that CCP usually dislikes) and ranting (though not really, just a long good post) but I was saying I wouldnt be surprised if it gets locked still.

lloooooooooooooooooool right



quoted for irony

an i like the "you never heard of me" part. theres no right answer. Either youre a noob/badposter/pubbie/whatever trolling term you feel like using or we have heard of you an it inflates your ego

Again, I'm looking to the CSM to "inform" me since the CSM felt the need to go to press over something that the average player couldn't wrangle out of the various blogs, posts, news posts and what not.

I question your position to cast aspersions on my maturity, since I've said multiple times that the CSM is worthy of being commended and not having their state of representation called into question, while you wade in here to call me names and make vague allusions to why I'm not right, wrap yourself in the metaphorical flag of Eve, and in general treat me with the very contempt I pointed out in the OP. The CSM may be acting with "one voice", but they sure as hell don't look like they are from the layman's point of view - all we see is you up there acting big and bad. Where is this "public condemnation" the CSM put together that you all signed, that was going to be put out in a week but apparently someone couldn't keep their mouth shut about? How inept do you have to be to say something like that to your corp when it's a matter that affects the entire game - and that question is even assuming that you didn't orchestrate all this sudden "surprise emergency press coverage", as some people are wondering. All we see right now is you, the CSM chair giving interviews, while the rest of your colleagues of one voice are making vague assertions of action in their blogs - if that.

I'm willing to accept the fact that I might not know everything about the situation, but I find it exceptionally disquieting that when the CSM goes to the press to complain about how CCP is "neglecting FiS" and how this affects all of the players, finding the actual reasoning behind all of this is about as easy as finding a sober man in Rekjavik.

And if -I- am pointing out these flaws in your reasoning, a relative nobody, you think that CCP won't? Hmm.