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ISK plays a far too dominant role in PVP

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Wot I Think
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-11-12 21:19:35 UTC
Right now it is easier to just give RL moneys to your enemies than it is to pay for a war. Between us our last war cost about $1000 between PLEX and Russian forum dues.

This new griefer corp wants a $600 visa gift card, and some of our busier alliance mates have offered to pay. As a matter of principle I had to decline looks like another collection will be taken.

War is ISK and ISK is money.

CCP please find a way to reduce the RL financial burden of operations in null, doing work in-house rather than dumping RL money in Jita and praying the JF makes it thirteen trips a month.

Getting rid of sovereignty payments would go a long way in the right direction.


Sw
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-12 21:23:12 UTC
And people wonder why more people don't want to go to null.

Don't ban me, bro!
Avila Cracko
#3 - 2011-11-12 21:27:00 UTC
Wot I Think wrote:
Right now it is easier to just give RL moneys to your enemies than it is to pay for a war. Between us our last war cost about $1000 between PLEX and Russian forum dues.

This new griefer corp wants a $600 visa gift card, and some of our busier alliance mates have offered to pay. As a matter of principle I had to decline looks like another collection will be taken.

War is ISK and ISK is money.

CCP please find a way to reduce the RL financial burden of operations in null, doing work in-house rather than dumping RL money in Jita and praying the JF makes it thirteen trips a month.

Getting rid of sovereignty payments would go a long way in the right direction.


Sw



WHAT???

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#4 - 2011-11-12 21:29:55 UTC
Wot I Think wrote:
Right now it is easier

But you don't have to. If you chose to spend real money to to afford you play style that's your problem.

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Harlequin Sweetlips
Emergent Entity
#5 - 2011-11-12 21:30:49 UTC
Wot I Think wrote:
Right now it is easier to just give RL moneys to your enemies than it is to pay for a war. Between us our last war cost about $1000 between PLEX and Russian forum dues.

This new griefer corp wants a $600 visa gift card, and some of our busier alliance mates have offered to pay. As a matter of principle I had to decline looks like another collection will be taken.

War is ISK and ISK is money.

CCP please find a way to reduce the RL financial burden of operations in null, doing work in-house rather than dumping RL money in Jita and praying the JF makes it thirteen trips a month.

Getting rid of sovereignty payments would go a long way in the right direction.


Sw


This has got to be trolling, right? If you take Eve so seriously that you will part with RL cash to prevent a war, then you either need to man up and learn how to defend your space, or admit you're not well equipped enough to defend your space and get the hell out of Dodge (or whatever system you are in). And then stop paying stupid money and go get a life. What happens if you don't pay them? They blow your widdle ships up? Awww.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2011-11-12 21:32:35 UTC
Eve.... Your doing it wrong.ShockedWhat?

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#7 - 2011-11-12 21:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: MeestaPenni
Harlequin Sweetlips wrote:

This has got to be trolling, right? If you take Eve so seriously that you will part with RL cash to prevent a war, then you either need to man up and learn how to defend your space, or admit you're not well equipped enough to defend your space and get the hell out of Dodge (or whatever system you are in). And then stop paying stupid money and go get a life. What happens if you don't pay them? They blow your widdle ships up? Awww.


You may be missing the real meat of this issue.....

The post alleges there is real life cash and monies being used as a meta-tactic in EvE.

The very moment any corp or alliance attempts to extort another via out-of-game mechanisms....is the very moment said corp needs to be exposed to CCP.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#8 - 2011-11-12 21:39:36 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Wot I Think wrote:
Right now it is easier to just give RL moneys to your enemies than it is to pay for a war. Between us our last war cost about $1000 between PLEX and Russian forum dues.

This new griefer corp wants a $600 visa gift card, and some of our busier alliance mates have offered to pay. As a matter of principle I had to decline looks like another collection will be taken.

War is ISK and ISK is money.

CCP please find a way to reduce the RL financial burden of operations in null, doing work in-house rather than dumping RL money in Jita and praying the JF makes it thirteen trips a month.

Getting rid of sovereignty payments would go a long way in the right direction.


Sw



WHAT???


This ^

I gotta agree... sounds like you are doing it wrong. This is the craziest thing I've heard about in EvE yet. I mean... am I even reading this right? Are you are paying RL money out of game for virtual internet spaceships ransom or services?

Are we being trolled here?

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Avila Cracko
#9 - 2011-11-12 21:42:45 UTC
sorry dude... but i think that something here is against EULA... :/

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2011-11-12 21:44:35 UTC
I do wonder if buying plexs and giving them plexs in game is considered valid or not. But the visa gift card thats definitely wrong.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-12 21:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Colour me unsurprised. It's a whole other game out in Mother Russia. Real-world crime and in-game crime sort of blend together.

The Mittani wrote:
The bad crazy goes beyond dropping 100 large on internet spaceships, though. About two years ago, Goonswarm was aiding our allies, Red Alliance (RA, the aforementioned 'rats' with whom SirLordex is cross) in the invasion of the Scalding Pass region against Lotka Volterra and their coalition. Lotka Volterra had unveiled one of the first Titans against us to catastrophic consequences, and at the time these profoundly silly ships were nearly impossible to kill through legitimate in-game means; they were essentially invulnerable, with the only Titans destroyed through catching the ship while the pilot was disconnected from the game. It was determined that 'The Enslaver' and his Avatar-class Titan had to go. I was approached by one of the leaders of Red Alliance to help make this happen, but almost immediately we were down the rabbit hole. Much to my surprise, the RA director didn't want in-game information from me; he wanted us to use the forensic resources of our intelligence agency to trace down The Enslaver's home address. At a coordinated time, armed with this information, a RA member would apparently cut the power to The Enslaver's house in the real world, and in EVE a RA capital fleet would assault the abruptly pilotless Titan. Yikes. (from article at TenTonHammer)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2011-11-12 21:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
man its one thing to plex it up every now and then to buy more ships to lose, but to pay for a war??

yup, you're doing it wrong

and if you had chat logs, I think demands for RL monies are probably against the rules Roll
Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2011-11-12 22:00:26 UTC
"To wage war, three things are necessary: money, money, and yet more money." Gian-Jacopo

As for the RL extortion attempt, tell them to fck off.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Renfus
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#14 - 2011-11-12 22:01:55 UTC
wow..... just .... wow lol
Seriously... Dude that's pretty pathetic....If you guys actually pay that I pity you...

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Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#15 - 2011-11-12 22:08:13 UTC
Pay 2 Win game, but this seems extreme.
Lexmana
#16 - 2011-11-12 22:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
If you pay the ransom with $$ what are you gonna do with your ISK?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#17 - 2011-11-12 22:16:10 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Colour me unsurprised. It's a whole other game out in Mother Russia. Real-world crime and in-game crime sort of blend together.

The Mittani wrote:
The bad crazy goes beyond dropping 100 large on internet spaceships, though. About two years ago, Goonswarm was aiding our allies, Red Alliance (RA, the aforementioned 'rats' with whom SirLordex is cross) in the invasion of the Scalding Pass region against Lotka Volterra and their coalition. Lotka Volterra had unveiled one of the first Titans against us to catastrophic consequences, and at the time these profoundly silly ships were nearly impossible to kill through legitimate in-game means; they were essentially invulnerable, with the only Titans destroyed through catching the ship while the pilot was disconnected from the game. It was determined that 'The Enslaver' and his Avatar-class Titan had to go. I was approached by one of the leaders of Red Alliance to help make this happen, but almost immediately we were down the rabbit hole. Much to my surprise, the RA director didn't want in-game information from me; he wanted us to use the forensic resources of our intelligence agency to trace down The Enslaver's home address. At a coordinated time, armed with this information, a RA member would apparently cut the power to The Enslaver's house in the real world, and in EVE a RA capital fleet would assault the abruptly pilotless Titan. Yikes. (from article at TenTonHammer)


Reading all of this... and that linked article... made me feel like the most noobish noob ever. Poetic Stanziel... you have put me in my place. I don't even know this game

Shocked

Signatures should be used responsibly...
xanderh
Red Viking Conglomerate
#18 - 2011-11-12 22:25:50 UTC
If they did ask for a visa gift card, petition them. They will be banned, what they did is against the EULA.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-12 22:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
I had heard anecdotal stories that some entities give you the choice between paying your dues in ISK or - at a more favorable conversion rate - in RL money. But the amounts discussed were nowhere near 600-1000$.

Maybe a troll, but not too surprised if it turns out to be real.

Alliances often have a legitimate need for RL money (hosting, voicecomms, ...) and ISK is of limited utility to them (it only saves RL subscription money).
Meanwhile some members/renters/targets will have to spend RL money to pay their dues in ISK anyways and might be happy about getting a better price bypassing the $$->PLEX->ISK step altogether.
Then there is the issue of alliance leadership being a fulltime job and (EVE) ISK not buying any food/housing/... , the alliance wanting to have its representatives at FanFest and other gatherings (which means RL travel expenses), the lead FC's PC breaking down at the worst possible moment, ...

When I browsed the recruitment forum a few weeks ago I saw a CEO who promised to buy one of his corp members (determined through a lottery) plane tickets to Iceland for FF and used that as a recruitment perk.

The differences between corpmates chipping in to cover hosting fees and the corp/alliance offering the option to pay ransoms with RL money seem (at least to me) to be more of a gradual than qualitative nature.

some question:

Would you object to an alliance that pays its key members a RL salary financed through donations (both from external and internal sources) and sponsorship money?

What if SA membership would cost 10$/month (instead of a one-time payment)?
(a SA account is prerequisite to be recruited into goonwaffe without having a sponsor)

Would anything be different if the fee was for an EVE-only forum provided by GSF instead of a general-purpose discussion board by a 3rd party?
Wot I Think
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-12 23:24:28 UTC
The part that ruins it is, if we fight and "win" we hold sovereignty for a few months longer. If we pay we get blue status and our 10 month ROI on sovereignty is almost a certain payout.

Add in the possibility of losing and it was a very hard and potentially a bad call.

As a follow-up the offer was "clarified" assume they read this, but they wanted "45 PLEX" and stated the original offer was a typo from machine translation.

Who knew "$ 600 visa" and "45 PLEX" were so similar in Russian. :-P
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