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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#21 - 2013-08-21 16:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Abyss Azizora wrote:

If you plan to gank gankers, it's surprisingly easy, since they never tank their ships. Just keep in mind they will have killrights on you unless they are suspect/criminal.

This.^

The real question you're facing is whether or not you've got the reflexes. Gankers are used to rapid response, and they know where their targets are. You won't know when they're coming, or who their target is, so you're going to need superior reflexes and good intelligence. And a lot of patience. If you try to pre-empt them, you give gankers kill rights on you - Hilarity *will* ensue. You may even get Concordokken yourself, which is a bit humiliating (have done that my own self; I know whereof I speak). If you wait until they're flashy, you've got bare seconds in which to react before concord shows up to spoil your fun.

The good news is that a properly-fit Insta-locking boat with long-range weapons - even a frigate - can pop a gankalyst with ease. *If* you get there before Concordokken happens. Maybe you can try to pop their pods - If you're fast enough, and if they're slow enough or dumb enough to give you a chance to engage or scan them down. Don't count on it.


Let me expand on this...

When I gank miners,

I know their killboards, I know their fit, I know their entire history. That's before I even undock!

I know what's on field, where they are in relation to my target, everything. That's before I undock.

I have a perfect warp in and exit strategy...no one will be the wiser!

...how?

Because my cloaked alt has everything setup, and if there's someone there "guarding" the miner, I'll know everything about them aswell, and will more then likely go after him and have a corpmate kill the barge.

If a ganker wants a target dead, he'll be in station getting acquainted with his new clone...

...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2013-08-21 16:31:22 UTC
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
How is the question "Any suggestion on fits" in any way stupid as that was the only question I asked.




It's not enough to make up for the stupid untruths afterwards.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#23 - 2013-08-21 16:33:12 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Lets Gank the Ganker that is Ganking... While Concord Ganks them.



Gankception.

Gankageddon?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#24 - 2013-08-21 16:36:38 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Camper101 wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Lets Gank the Ganker that is Ganking... While Concord Ganks them.



Gankception.

Gankageddon?

Only if it becomes a party.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-08-21 17:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.

Yes, you're right.
Every ganked miner ever in the history of EvE,
got killed by 30 destroyers, every single time.

*facepalm* please THINK before you post !
I know it's hard, but at least TRY !
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-08-21 17:09:37 UTC
I honestly think some people should go home and rethink their lives.

Ganking a miner wouldn't be worth the cost of the electricity for me. It's probably one of the least "fun" things you can do in Eve.
Prince Kobol
#27 - 2013-08-21 17:10:54 UTC
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
the gankers

Getting annoyed that gankers from Code and NO came come into a hi-sec system, flashing red as they are -7 to -10 and happily gank some industrialists.
I don't really think they understand that without these members of the community, ore would not be mined which affects ships/ammo not be built and they would suffer because of it because of increased prices.

So I would like to take action.

Don't want isk - got plenty of that, I want ship fits for frig/cruises that would allow me to gank the gankers. Any suggestion on fits?


Don't bother, just join the CODE
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#28 - 2013-08-21 17:36:32 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Abyss Azizora wrote:

If you plan to gank gankers, it's surprisingly easy, since they never tank their ships. Just keep in mind they will have killrights on you unless they are suspect/criminal.

This.^

The real question you're facing is whether or not you've got the reflexes. Gankers are used to rapid response, and they know where their targets are. You won't know when they're coming, or who their target is, so you're going to need superior reflexes and good intelligence. And a lot of patience. If you try to pre-empt them, you give gankers kill rights on you - Hilarity *will* ensue. You may even get Concordokken yourself, which is a bit humiliating (have done that my own self; I know whereof I speak). If you wait until they're flashy, you've got bare seconds in which to react before concord shows up to spoil your fun.

The good news is that a properly-fit Insta-locking boat with long-range weapons - even a frigate - can pop a gankalyst with ease. *If* you get there before Concordokken happens. Maybe you can try to pop their pods - If you're fast enough, and if they're slow enough or dumb enough to give you a chance to engage or scan them down. Don't count on it.


Let me expand on this...

When I gank miners,

I know their killboards, I know their fit, I know their entire history. That's before I even undock!

I know what's on field, where they are in relation to my target, everything. That's before I undock.

I have a perfect warp in and exit strategy...no one will be the wiser!

...how?

Because my cloaked alt has everything setup, and if there's someone there "guarding" the miner, I'll know everything about them aswell, and will more then likely go after him and have a corpmate kill the barge.

If a ganker wants a target dead, he'll be in station getting acquainted with his new clone...


Fish in barrel...make up elaborate plan to kill fish...bring friends....kill fish (need help)...pats self on back for ingenuity.

It's like paying a hooker for sex and then calling all your friends to tell them what a stud you are Roll

Gankers maintain the Eco system by picking off the weak but don't confuse yourself into thinking you are the lion, you are the hyenas of Eve. Lol

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2013-08-21 17:53:39 UTC
Q ships

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#30 - 2013-08-21 18:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
Drone 16 wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Abyss Azizora wrote:

If you plan to gank gankers, it's surprisingly easy, since they never tank their ships. Just keep in mind they will have killrights on you unless they are suspect/criminal.

This.^

The real question you're facing is whether or not you've got the reflexes. Gankers are used to rapid response, and they know where their targets are. You won't know when they're coming, or who their target is, so you're going to need superior reflexes and good intelligence. And a lot of patience. If you try to pre-empt them, you give gankers kill rights on you - Hilarity *will* ensue. You may even get Concordokken yourself, which is a bit humiliating (have done that my own self; I know whereof I speak). If you wait until they're flashy, you've got bare seconds in which to react before concord shows up to spoil your fun.

The good news is that a properly-fit Insta-locking boat with long-range weapons - even a frigate - can pop a gankalyst with ease. *If* you get there before Concordokken happens. Maybe you can try to pop their pods - If you're fast enough, and if they're slow enough or dumb enough to give you a chance to engage or scan them down. Don't count on it.


Let me expand on this...

When I gank miners,

I know their killboards, I know their fit, I know their entire history. That's before I even undock!

I know what's on field, where they are in relation to my target, everything. That's before I undock.

I have a perfect warp in and exit strategy...no one will be the wiser!

...how?

Because my cloaked alt has everything setup, and if there's someone there "guarding" the miner, I'll know everything about them aswell, and will more then likely go after him and have a corpmate kill the barge.

If a ganker wants a target dead, he'll be in station getting acquainted with his new clone...


Fish in barrel...make up elaborate plan to kill fish...bring friends....kill fish (need help)...pats self on back for ingenuity.

It's like paying a hooker for sex and then calling all your friends to tell them what a stud you are Roll

Gankers maintain the Eco system by picking off the weak but don't confuse yourself into thinking you are the lion, you are the hyenas of Eve. Lol

When a Pride (pack of lions) or any predator for that manner, go on a hunt. They ALWAYS target the young/weak/sick before they go after anything else.

Survival of the fittest, you can thank your ancestors for it...

Same thing applies in EVE, go after the weak first. Bring friends to take down the fitter targets...

...
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#31 - 2013-08-21 18:37:39 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.

Yes, you're right.
Every ganked miner ever in the history of EvE,
got killed by 30 destroyers, every single time.

*facepalm* please THINK before you post !
I know it's hard, but at least TRY !

The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?

Please follow your own advice and think before you post.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#32 - 2013-08-21 18:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

The point being you guys act like if a miner gets ganked its because they didnt tank....because EVERY miner loss didnt have a tank?

Please follow your own advice and think before you post.

Just stop posting entirely.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-08-21 19:02:27 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

I like the morons that cant get that it doesnt matter what you tank when they bring 30 destroyers.

the moment i post my mackinaw fit guaranteed to tank thirty destroyers, you'll be back screaming WELL WHAT IF THEY BRING SIXTY
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#34 - 2013-08-21 19:14:00 UTC
Hawkeyes comment got me thinking so I went and looked at the kb for exhumers killed by gankers - and of the 30 or so I looked at 22 had tanks. That means the message about tanking is getting through - however

All were on the kb because they got popped, by 2/3 or above groups of gankers.

So to the OP - good luck but unless you too get a group, you won't have a chance regardless of fit. Sorry I can't be more optimistic.

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-08-21 19:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. Big smile
So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP.

You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#36 - 2013-08-21 19:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. Big smile
So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP.

You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5.

There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it?
Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
#37 - 2013-08-21 19:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jumfat Kohlah
Thx Tobias - a ship fit. Will give it a go

Klandi - I hear what your saying. Hopefully when results start, then others might join in.

Azami - this has nothing to do about survival of the fittest, it is to do with CCP creating the conflict arena that sustains a virtual economy
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#38 - 2013-08-21 19:43:50 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Funny thing about gankers is that they always repeat the same line "learn to tank" but they never learn to tank their ships. Big smile
So gank Nado should teach them some basic lessons about EHP.

You should be able to take out at least one Catalyst in 0.7 or higher with 800mm Repeating Artillery and faction Fusion. Two Catalysts easily in 0.5.

There's no point in tanking a suicide gank ship, suicide being the important word. It's guaranteed to die, why tank it?
Miners on the other hand don't expect their ships to die every time they undock, can you see the important difference?

sssshhhhhhhh...!!!

Stop speaking logic, it has no place in GD and might spread!

...
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#39 - 2013-08-21 19:50:33 UTC
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
Thank you Abyss, the only one that has posted constructive and pertinent feed back. It reminds me why I rarely post stuff on here


If you want constructive and/or pertinent feedback in a forum you should probably not write ******** dribble like that...

Because no matter how you try to put it, you are wrong per definition of the game developers. This is intended game-mechanics.. and if u play a game and don't agree with said mechanics in a game...u prob are playing the wrong game for you.
I am not trying to be a smartass or troll here (a little lie there perhaps, but i mean well Roll ). I just want you to understand that YOU have to learn to how to play the game, how to fit ure ship etc (to minimize risk of ganking in this case). If you loose a ship, that is YOUR fault and not CCP or the their game... It is you!

Adapt or die... thats all u ever have to know about EVE (besides the fact it is not made for everyone).

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-08-21 19:59:51 UTC
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
Will give it a go


Just remember to wait a bit before you start shooting so they get criminal flag first.

Some of them probably start complaining about it but they get used to it quite fast.