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The Great Ice Mining Interdiction: Not so Great

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Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-08-19 23:08:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
"omg suicide ganking does take some skilz!"

No, it really doesn't. It's all pre-calculated. Scan the ship first, warp in with one more catalyst than is strictly required (use a cloaked warp-to), blow them up and then dock up.
…all of which requires a fair amount of skillz to do and execute in unison.

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Worried about ECM or logi? Why? It's not a viable tactic.
So on the one hand, you're saying that they're bringing one more catalyst than is strictly necessary, and on the other hand, a ship that puts 3–4 catalysts out of the fight is somehow “not a viable tactic”? Of course ECM or logis are a worry, since they trivially tip the scale in favour of the gankee.

Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
Also, you hide behind an alliance that has over half of the server population so who is the real coward.
Probably the person who have to exaggerate the number of opponents by an order of magnitude, and then some, in order to justify his giving up.

No. There are not 250,000 goons in the game.


Oh, and you conveniently omitted your pets, aka Clusterfuck Coalition. Sorry, you are either stupid or hopping I am.
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-08-19 23:11:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
That little number where you type your name and password in never goes above 50k.
You mean the one that counts online users, not the total server population?
The one that regularly goes above 50k?
The one that would still require the goons to have 15–25,000 members for them to be “half the [players online]”, which they still don't?

Yeah, you're still exaggerating to justify your decision to give up.


I don't need to justify anything. I'm not "giving up". I see nothing of interest here.

You go play your skewed little game and take pride in your warped little accomplishments.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2013-08-19 23:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
Oh, and you conveniently omitted your pets, aka Clusterfuck Coalition. Sorry, you are either stupid or hopping I am.
I don't have any pets (in-game that is), and no, CFC are not goons. Even if you incorrectly label CFC as goons, they're still not more than half the server population no matter how you count, so you're still exaggerating to justify your decision to give up.

I don't particularly need to hope for something that is already true. What I am hoping for is that you're capable of taking in information and learning, but that hope is slowly waning as we speak…

Quote:
I don't need to justify anything.
So why the lies? Who are you trying to convince with your obviously and hilariously wrong numbers?

Quote:
You go play your skewed little game and take pride in your warped little accomplishments.
How is the game skewed, and how is having fun with my friends in any “warped”? It's kind of what well-adjusted human beings do, you know… but if you consider that warped, it would explain a lot. Ugh
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#84 - 2013-08-19 23:14:54 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:

Never seen it go above 50k. Cry moar.

Butt hurt?



You are the worst Troll ever to appear in these forums by a long shot. And I've been readin' and postin' for over 3 years.

Congratulations I guess.

Sorry you are so angry about yourself inside. I know. It hurts. And from WAY back.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-08-19 23:27:37 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Wow, a lot of Suicide Ganker tears in this thread. Epic PvPers with a point to prove.

"omg suicide ganking does take some skilz!"

No, it really doesn't. It's all pre-calculated. Scan the ship first, warp in with one more catalyst than is strictly required (use a cloaked warp-to), blow them up and then dock up. Worried about ECM or logi? Why? It's not a viable tactic. Unless they baited you there, they are not going to have anything like that. As for people killing gankers, yea I do it myself if I can catch one. If you got caught then your a complete idiot.


"Guys suicide ganking is super easy" - people who have never suicide ganked

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-08-19 23:28:46 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:

Never seen it go above 50k. Cry moar.

Butt hurt?



You are the worst Troll ever to appear in these forums by a long shot. And I've been readin' and postin' for over 3 years.

Congratulations I guess.

Sorry you are so angry about yourself inside. I know. It hurts. And from WAY back.

readin and postin, dat hik taak. Naw i enderstund yar poosts.

You've been a good goon pet. No go lie in the corner.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-08-19 23:30:05 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
As for goons. How does anyone in this organization come out as being a skilled gamer? You would never convince me of anyone in goons being or having any skill in this game. You all hide behind and have more than half of the server population in either the alliance or clusterfuck.


yes hisec ice mining is a skill-intensive profession

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#88 - 2013-08-19 23:40:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
As for goons. How does anyone in this organization come out as being a skilled gamer? You would never convince me of anyone in goons being or having any skill in this game. You all hide behind and have more than half of the server population in either the alliance or clusterfuck.

yes hisec ice mining is a skill-intensive profession

The amazing AFK V.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#89 - 2013-08-19 23:50:15 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:


You've been a good goon pet. No go lie in the corner.


Sorry. I'm a Lone Wolf Low Sec Fuel Block Maker making a (financial) killing during these fine Interdictions.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-08-19 23:50:35 UTC
Andski wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
As for goons. How does anyone in this organization come out as being a skilled gamer? You would never convince me of anyone in goons being or having any skill in this game. You all hide behind and have more than half of the server population in either the alliance or clusterfuck.


yes hisec ice mining is a skill-intensive profession


A goon talking about skill. I had to laugh.

I don't care what you think if you ever think at all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2013-08-19 23:52:27 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
A goon talking about skill. I had to laugh.

I don't care what you think if you ever think at all.

Your posting habits prove otherwise.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2013-08-19 23:56:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
A goon talking about skill. I had to laugh.

I don't care what you think if you ever think at all.

Your posting habits prove otherwise.

Some people are also bad at posting, it seems.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-08-20 00:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Psychedelic Faynin
Tippia wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
Oh, and you conveniently omitted your pets, aka Clusterfuck Coalition. Sorry, you are either stupid or hopping I am.
I don't have any pets (in-game that is), and no, CFC are not goons. Even if you incorrectly label CFC as goons, they're still not more than half the server population no matter how you count, so you're still exaggerating to justify your decision to give up.

I don't particularly need to hope for something that is already true. What I am hoping for is that you're capable of taking in information and learning, but that hope is slowly waning as we speak…

Quote:
I don't need to justify anything.
So why the lies? Who are you trying to convince with your obviously and hilariously wrong numbers?

Quote:
You go play your skewed little game and take pride in your warped little accomplishments.
How is the game skewed, and how is having fun with my friends in any “warped”? It's kind of what well-adjusted human beings do, you know… but if you consider that warped, it would explain a lot. Ugh


CFC are not goons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)

lie moar.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2013-08-20 00:14:33 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
Oh, and you conveniently omitted your pets, aka Clusterfuck Coalition. Sorry, you are either stupid or hopping I am.
I don't have any pets (in-game that is), and no, CFC are not goons. Even if you incorrectly label CFC as goons, they're still not more than half the server population no matter how you count, so you're still exaggerating to justify your decision to give up.

I don't particularly need to hope for something that is already true. What I am hoping for is that you're capable of taking in information and learning, but that hope is slowly waning as we speak…

Quote:
I don't need to justify anything.
So why the lies? Who are you trying to convince with your obviously and hilariously wrong numbers?

Quote:
You go play your skewed little game and take pride in your warped little accomplishments.
How is the game skewed, and how is having fun with my friends in any “warped”? It's kind of what well-adjusted human beings do, you know… but if you consider that warped, it would explain a lot. Ugh


CFC are not goons.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)

lie moar.

RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)

These are goons? My goodness...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#95 - 2013-08-20 00:14:34 UTC
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
CFC are not goons.
Correct.

A ⊂ B ≠ B ⊂ A
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#96 - 2013-08-20 00:15:00 UTC
Set theory burn.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-08-20 00:31:06 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)

lie moar.

RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)

These are goons? My goodness...[/quote]

Love the propaganda.

Goonswarm Federation (CONDI)
RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F

as you can see on the wiki.
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#98 - 2013-08-20 00:32:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)


RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)

These are goons? My goodness...


Love the propaganda.

Goonswarm Federation (CONDI)
RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F

as you can see on the wiki.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#99 - 2013-08-20 00:32:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So on the one hand, you're saying that they're bringing one more catalyst than is strictly necessary, and on the other hand, a ship that puts 3–4 catalysts out of the fight is somehow “not a viable tactic”? Of course ECM or logis are a worry, since they trivially tip the scale in favour of the gankee.


The logistics boat perhaps. The ECM boat will need to have a very fast lock time and the pilot will need incredibly quick reflexes if they are going to jam a suicide ganking catalyst before the gank victim is blown up.

The tactic that worked best for me outside interdictions was to tank my ships. Alikcialeika/Bon Haldeman and the like would laugh at my unprofitable mining and gank the softer targets. During interdictions I just sell my stockpile slowly.

I have seen idiots trying to smart bomb fleets of Mackinaws in battleships. Those blew up before the mackinaws were in armour, due to the fleet of Garde IIs and the tornadoes guarding the Mackinaws. It turns out that when you are running 40 mackinaws, having a defence fleet is economically viable.

I have seen Orcas single-salvoed by a fleet of torpedo ravens: I think there is at least one video of same from the good old Hulkageddons days. What is Helicity up to these days?

But I have never seen an ECM boat actually save an exhumers from being ganked.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Psychedelic Faynin
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-08-20 00:49:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Psychedelic Faynin wrote:
CFC are not goons.
Correct.

A ⊂ B ≠ B ⊂ A


Love how you take what I say out of context. Which is exactly anything you say means nothing.

Goons are a member of clusterfuck as posted on the wiki. Where is your proof? Oh, yea, just the propaganda you spew to fit your agenda.

Sorry, but your just another lieing goonswine.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clusterfuck_Coalition_(Player_coalition)


Goonswarm Federation (CONDI)
RAZOR Alliance (-RZR-)
Fatal Ascension (-FA-)
Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT)
Fidelas Constans (FCON)
SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA)
Executive Outcomes (.EXE)
Gentlemen's Agreement (GENTS)
Get Off My Lawn (LAWN)
Circle-Of-Two (CO2)
Li3 Federation (L3F)


Goons listed along with pets.