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Trade hub trading with three trial alts

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Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-19 14:20:03 UTC
I was wondering if anyone had tried doing something like this? My plan is to make three trial accounts and try to make enough plex to play the accounts for free. I have a full version already, but I'm currently skilling characters up and have nothing more to do really than wait for them to level up.

My thought was first training Cybernetics I, add +3 implants to charisma, willpower and memory, and then train Frigate III, Destroyer III, Cruiser I, Targeting I, Industry I, Small Hybrid Turret I, Hull Upgrades I, Afterburners I, Rapid Fire I, Controlled Brust I, Sharpshooter I and Motion Prediction I. After this I remap to Willpower 10 and Charisma 4 and train Trade IV, Retail IV, and Broker Relations IV. Then I remap to Charisma 10 and Memory 4 and train Social IV, Accounting IV, and Margin Trading IV. With my calculations this should take about five days.

After training social IV, I'll begin to do Career Missions for the six career agents giving standings to my race, and afterwards I'll do the Sisters of Eve Arc for higher standings. I can fit ships with help from my full account. I have three computers and can play all trials simultaneously, making mission running fairly less boring with multi-tasking.

After this, I'll put each of my alts in their respective hub and start trade hub trading with cargo that fit into cruisers. I have no experience trade hub trading, but with about 70 million ISK each, I should probably get things going, and I can do it with three accounts simultaneously, making travel less tedious.

So, would this be possible? With training skills taking up 5 days of a 21-day trial, will it be possible to make enough ISK paying for three PLEX?

Or am I just ********?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-08-19 14:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
the answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a life.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-19 14:47:17 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
the answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a life.


That's a complicated question. Yes, I do, and I have much more important things to do than playing Eve Online.

But I guess that's the main reason I play Eve Online.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-19 14:52:27 UTC
I had a guy apply to my corp who was trying to do the same thing.

On a 21 day trial he was going to station trade and plex the account with only the 5,000 starting ISK as seed money.

While 26 million a day is doable, with no skills and no starting capital I don't see have it can be done.

Last time he checked in with me he was almost 200 million short with two days to go.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#5 - 2013-08-19 14:52:51 UTC
If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong.

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Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#6 - 2013-08-19 14:53:27 UTC
You would need money to make money. I don't think it's possible in those 21 days.

I once made a 21 Trial +PLEX (51 day full acc) and tried to make enough money for PLEX in HiSec doing only PI. Was actualy not that much work and it did work.

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Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-19 14:58:36 UTC
Invictra Atreides wrote:
You would need money to make money. I don't think it's possible in those 21 days.

I once made a 21 Trial +PLEX (51 day full acc) and tried to make enough money for PLEX in HiSec doing only PI. Was actualy not that much work and it did work.



Yeah, but then I need to have a PLEX. You can't do PI with trials.

Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
I had a guy apply to my corp who was trying to do the same thing.

On a 21 day trial he was going to station trade and plex the account with only the 5,000 starting ISK as seed money.

While 26 million a day is doable, with no skills and no starting capital I don't see have it can be done.

Last time he checked in with me he was almost 200 million short with two days to go.


With doing missions for the six friendly career agents and sister's of eve arc I should have about 70 mill ISK per character.

arabella blood wrote:
If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong.


You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#8 - 2013-08-19 15:37:10 UTC
OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.

It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.

Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account.
Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-08-19 15:53:22 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.

It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.

Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account.


Yeah, I should've tried before I had a full account. I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read, so I thought I'd be possible, even with just level IV Accounting and Broker Relations, not top standing, and just frigates, destroyers and cruisers. A lot of stuff like skill books doesn't take up much cargo space.

I guess it'd be more a proof of concept than anything else. Dogs lick their balls because they can.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#10 - 2013-08-19 15:56:10 UTC
Caprice Insidious wrote:

arabella blood wrote:
If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong.


You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused.


Because you plan "cheating" with cash injections from your main and doing missions...

But i do think its possible to plex 1 account.
It all depends on the skill plan, items you choose, amount of orders and most important is how much time can be spent on this.



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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#11 - 2013-08-19 15:57:32 UTC
Caprice Insidious wrote:
. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read


Numbers like that require some capital, can't do it with 5k isk you get on day 1 Blink

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Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-08-19 16:08:06 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Caprice Insidious wrote:

arabella blood wrote:
If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong.


You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused.


Because you plan "cheating" with cash injections from your main and doing missions...

But i do think its possible to plex 1 account.
It all depends on the skill plan, items you choose, amount of orders and most important is how much time can be spent on this.


It isn't that much cheating, I'd only save a day or something like that by getting implants from main.

arabella blood wrote:
Caprice Insidious wrote:
. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read


Numbers like that require some capital, can't do it with 5k isk you get on day 1 Blink


My aim wasn't just to trade hub without doing missions and making some starting capital, as the missions will give me standing increase so my taxes decreases. You'll need that standing for a trade hub alt even on a full account.

Doing the career missions would take about 12 hours, sister's of eve arc three I guess. Then after that it's just plain trade hubbing like full accounts do, just without volume. But like I mentioned earlier, there are lucrative trade goods to ship around in just frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

I think my strategy would work. I need to find someone to try it out.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#13 - 2013-08-19 16:20:55 UTC
Caprice Insidious wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.

It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.

Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account.


Yeah, I should've tried before I had a full account. I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read, so I thought I'd be possible, even with just level IV Accounting and Broker Relations, not top standing, and just frigates, destroyers and cruisers. A lot of stuff like skill books doesn't take up much cargo space.

I guess it'd be more a proof of concept than anything else. Dogs lick their balls because they can.


Well consider the more isk you have, the more isk you can make rule, if you only had 100 mil you could possibly make another 70 - 100 mil in one day but you would have to be at your computer updating orders constantly for hours and hours at about 10 mil per hour. This is just not very fun at all, and you'd burn your self out long before you could make enough isk to plex your account but if you had 1 billion isk to start out with, you could make 100 mil easy with just an hour of updating per day at 10%, so in 5 days you should easily have enough to plex that account or a new account.

The amount of isk you have will determine your trading strategy , some one with over 10 billion isn't going to be updating their orders more than say 2 times a day even in a hub like jita and they would be updating during peak hours. They could still make 1 billion per day with very little effort.

If you can't plex 3 new accounts right now, then you don't need those new accounts... I once read a thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=671675 old forums... I believe this dude had 20 billion, he only needed to update once per day to make 1 billion isk each day, that sure is motivating but to be honest most people give up long before because of the amount of effort one has to put into trading to get off the ground.

So your plan to start 3 trial accounts with only 5k starting isk... I'm sorry but It will only lead to self loathing, and a burn out that will probably last 1 week, unless you're a robot or something Ugh
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#14 - 2013-08-19 16:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: arabella blood
Caprice Insidious wrote:
You'll need that standing for a trade hub alt even on a full account..




True in most cases, False in your specific one. It is important, But not when trying to plex a 21 days trial account, it a waste of time.
If you want it so much data-centers can be your solution, but again its a waste of time for a pity reward.



Caprice Insidious wrote:
Doing the career missions would take about 12 hours, sister's of eve arc three I guess. Then after that it's just plain trade hubbing like full accounts do, just without volume. But like I mentioned earlier, there are lucrative trade goods to ship around in just frigates, destroyers and cruisers.


If you plan to do that then call it by name? trading with missioning and help from my alt to buy ship fits and implants.

Besides, doing the "hub trading" is bad plan.
Its risky to fly stuff in frigates Roll, and its also a waste of time.
what you need to do is HFT the mother of it with as much orders as you can.

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Rengerel en Distel
#15 - 2013-08-19 16:34:45 UTC
I'd just like to know what fits you're using to do the sisters of eve arc in 3 hours.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Careby
#16 - 2013-08-19 16:36:13 UTC
Caprice Insidious wrote:
...I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible...

While I avoid mining myself, and don't generally recommend it to others, plexing a new account by mining is not impossible.

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#17 - 2013-08-19 16:37:34 UTC
It should be doable.

I usually whack my new alts into Jita out of the tutorials, cos I hate missions, and I cba with standing.

The first 20-50m I get by doing meta items, then move to say, T2 modules, then around 150m I start throwing a few faction/T2 ships into the mix.

the first 100m seems to take forever to get, and you never seem to have enough orders, but, around the 200m mark, I tend to find I need fewer and fewer orders, as you settle into items.

1b is doable in a month from the tutorial isk, so, 500m in the first 21d should be achievable.

After the first month, you are ofc, not working with 0 isk, so it gets easier.
Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-08-19 16:43:50 UTC
Careby wrote:
Caprice Insidious wrote:
...I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible...

While I avoid mining myself, and don't generally recommend it to others, plexing a new account by mining is not impossible.



With trial accounts you can only use venture, and a cargo of scordite with venture is worth about 1 mill, so you'll have to do 550 runs with venture to get a plex.

So no, it's not impossible. You'll probably be done in about 200 hours I guess.

Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I'd just like to know what fits you're using to do the sisters of eve arc in 3 hours.


I probably underestimated a little, but still you can do it pretty quickly with long ranged railguns.

Rhivre wrote:
It should be doable.

I usually whack my new alts into Jita out of the tutorials, cos I hate missions, and I cba with standing.

The first 20-50m I get by doing meta items, then move to say, T2 modules, then around 150m I start throwing a few faction/T2 ships into the mix.

the first 100m seems to take forever to get, and you never seem to have enough orders, but, around the 200m mark, I tend to find I need fewer and fewer orders, as you settle into items.

1b is doable in a month from the tutorial isk, so, 500m in the first 21d should be achievable.

After the first month, you are ofc, not working with 0 isk, so it gets easier.


And if you do missions and get 70 mill ISK head start, it's even more probable.

Newbs should try this out instead of mining theirself to death.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#19 - 2013-08-19 16:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: arabella blood
Its useless...go ask Gevlon Goblin how to do missions then...Evil


The missioning forums is somewhere there ------>>>

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Caprice Insidious
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-08-19 16:52:37 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Its useless...go ask Gevlon Goblin how to do missions then...Evil


The missioning forums is somewhere there ------>>>


It was him that gave me the idea.

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.no/p/newbie-guide-for-riches-in-eve.html
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