Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the problem is that it's the best way to make isk and grind systems (not that anyone cares about grinding systems) in FW, a system that's intended to encourage solo or small-scale pvp. because the best way for plexers to operate is to make unfun and discourage fights any way they can, the way the system is working right now is robbing both the plexers and any other potential participants of the actual intended gameplay.

yeah, i say robbing. while cloaky/stabby alts warping away is gameplay and is pvp, it's really, really ****** and boring the way it is right now. it's making for a pretty poor game. i believe the complex system is meant to facilitate actual fights between players and that's not something that generally happens. the system is not meeting the goals of the redesign.

FW isn't necessarily about you getting kills. Players are competing over an objective. In the scenario presented the player in the cloaked ship lost the encounter because they lost control over or failed to take the plex. It's no less legitimate than if the player had been killed. You can encourage fights all you want but that doesn't mean someone can't devise a strategy to get around it and that is a completely legitimate way to play.

In this case you need to earn that kill instead of crying for CCP to change the game mechanics. If the player gets away so be it. You may now take the plex so it's not like you didn't gain anything.

Yeah I don't see anything wrong here. The way I see it is that the plexes are objectives and subterfuge is a legitimate option to capture the objectives. The best thing about Eve is that there is no way to fit a ship so that you counter everything perfectly. You could fit a ship to counter these "spies" but then you would be gimped if you had to fight anything else. It's all about trade offs and decisions.

in this case it's a pity that blockade runners don't have an additional high-slot, isn't it. Seems to be the predestined ship for this kind of FW.

so let me guess this straight:

you're complaining you're not getting a fight out of someone that fit a ship so that HE doesn't have to fight.
so, working as intended? also he's getting tears out of all this mess.




holy **** it's BURN EDEN and their warpcore whaawhaaa all over again! fun times!

guess it's fashionable to write something in the forums along the lines of HTFU, even if basic common sense suggests that something might not be working as intended.

I reserve the right to use your formulation in the next "nerf AFK-cloaking"-thread.

Also, I'd say that the FW-part is rather not the most sandbox part of eve. It seems quite obvious that these plexes aim at facilitating PvP and are not meant to be another PVE-ISK-faucet, which is after all the result of such a fitting.

CCP changed cloaking mechanics in plexes, which is another indicator that those plexes are not meant to be farmed without a realistic chance of a PvP-encounter.

In the past, occasionally, mechanics changed. So maybe in a few cases it's not the player that adapts, but the game.

Plex mechanics so favor the farmer that someone who is at the keyboard and following a simple set of rules (i.e. behaving exactly like a well-programmed bot) is for all intents and purposes invulnerable. You can't tackle him if he sees you coming from 1AU away and cloaks as soon as you appear.

Pre-camping plexes can work, but at that stage you're just counting on the farmer's greed, warping to an existing plex instead of cracking open a new one. You'd have better luck chasing AFK farmers with a triple-scram merlin.

mining isn't a system specifically designed to facilitate fights.

dude this is true for every form of PVE... if you are paying attention you have no reason to die.

okay. a fundamental misunderstanding. I didn't get that FW is PVE-content.