EVE General Discussion

I think my time in Eve is over, while traversing a 0.4 region to get to a level II mission giver, to increase my standings, so I could install jump clones, I got podded (first time).

… but the relevance for me was how I felt. Empty, like when my grandpa died, a deep felling of loss and I began to question why I was playing Eve at all. I did not feel angry or upset, or care about the loss of the ship and isk. I have a second account that mines while I play the main, I can easily replace the ship 10 times over. The significance is the empty feeling, I have never experienced that in any other game.

I read a post that said over 90% of new players quit Eve in the first 2 months, didn’t think I would be in that group, stayed in hisec, built up my skill levels, built up isk reserves, intended to try the less secure systems, eventually, learnt how everything fitted together, bought and sold on the market. Now I don’t know if I want to play, I knew I would lose ships and get podded, eventually, that is part of the game mechanics; but it is how I felt when it happened for real that surprised to me.

Of all the games I have played Eve has the most potential and is the closest to a true sandbox. I just don’t feel motivated any more.

In short, the OP's problem is griefers like you.

If that's how you feel (and it must be you, because it certainly wasn't anything I said), then maybe you should stay out of threads dealing with new players.
Meanwhile, what's false is the presumption that some players have that EVE will work like (unrelated other game), and its this clash between preconceived notions and the reality of the game that often trips them up.

Based on what CCP has said in various presentations over the years, one of the biggest problems is exactly that: that players don't get into corps that offer good - or indeed any - kind of guidance, so they're stuck with the newbie-corp griefers (and there's a reason why I call them that) who make their lives miserable by perpetuating the lies they themselves were told and which they never dared question.

Protip: You got baited into making the discussion personal, and you went for it like a dope.

You are now fighting a losing battle as your opponent has the high ground on you...Discussion-wise that is.

Best to cut your losses and not counter argue at this point.

Dear CCP,

Are you happy with the current player base ?
Is 20 to 30 thousand players at any one time enough ?
Is losing more than 90% of new players within the first 2 months ok ?

Answer yes then ignore this post.

I think my time in Eve is over, while traversing a 0.4 region to get to a level II mission giver, to increase my standings, so I could install jump clones, I got podded (first time). Second time in a lowsec region I think, yes this happens all the time, yes it was my decision to go through the gate; but the relevance for me was how I felt. Empty, like when my grandpa died, a deep felling of loss and I began to question why I was playing Eve at all. I did not feel angry or upset, or care about the loss of the ship and isk. I have a second account that mines while I play the main, I can easily replace the ship 10 times over. The significance is the empty feeling, I have never experienced that in any other game.

I read a post that said over 90% of new players quit Eve in the first 2 months, didn’t think I would be in that group, stayed in hisec, built up my skill levels, built up isk reserves, intended to try the less secure systems, eventually, learnt how everything fitted together, bought and sold on the market. Now I don’t know if I want to play, I knew I would lose ships and get podded, eventually, that is part of the game mechanics; but it is how I felt when it happened for real that surprised to me. I have lost ships running NPC missions, that wasn’t the same, I was trying to kill them and they me; the podding last night was me minding my own business and accidently running into a gate camp, someone elses little war. Strange that I felt the way I did, still trying to understand my feelings.

With respect to how the game works and the questions to CCP, my assumption is that CCP are happy to lose over 90% of new players, otherwise they would change the game. But if they wanted to keep new players the flaws I see in the game are core to the game mechanics and would be difficult to change.

Skill training is simply too long. To have the ability to compete with older players, six months to a year of real time may not be enough.

Skills are too many and too complex, it is difficult to determine the training path necessary for what you want to do. (I wasted over 2 weeks training skills I didn’t need to at the time)

System travel, while realistic, is simply too long. Over half an hour of real time to travel less than 20 jumps is a waste of my game time.

Too few NPC missions, and none that teach you relevant skills. But that is another story.

Please don’t see this as a complaint, or QQ because I got podded.
I just want to relate my Eve experience. Of all the games I have played Eve has the most potential and is the closest to a true sandbox. I just don’t feel motivated any more.

Cheers

Empty, like when my grandpa died