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The nature of tears

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Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#1 - 2013-08-18 00:53:36 UTC
In TMC, this article written by Tubrug looked at the value and causing of tears both as a currency and as fun. An interesting read however the man feels disturbed and writes angrily imo but I want to highlight an area that he seems to overlooked.

The plight of the hi-sec "pubbie" as the goon overlords like to refer to them, is in all probability caused because they are a casual player. This means that they do not have the time or want to spend the time to work on relationships in the game.

Think about it. Most stuff in Eve takes a huge amount of time and effort, cultivating relationships is no exception.

As they have not the network/contacts etc, they must remain in high sec most of the time to earn a living. Why? All the industrial stuff is in hi-sec. They can sell their stuff easily in hi-sec and they need to earn isk because they want the game to pay for itself (as the missus said that money can be put to better use than paying for pixels), so they must turn to a craft that does not take much time and delivers a return.

A lapse in concentration and a ganker gets them.

The immediate response to this is frustration and that is followed by not committed resignation but possibly an outburst and the resultant "tears"

I suppose I am writing this because I want those that gank and harvest tears to think that maybe the frustration that their victim feels is because the gameplay has forced them to play this way. Would you react any differently if you were forced to gank?

Flame away...

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#2 - 2013-08-18 00:59:55 UTC
Eve leaves room for both co-operation amd competition.
Naturally it attracts the odd lost soul who feeds on the dismay of others.
Goons all come from a website that is a haven for tearful neckbearded manchildren so naturally they need to realise themselves through messing with others.
I don't log on solely to bother people but must admit that some whines from players that don't even try will bring out the worst in me.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3 - 2013-08-18 01:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eve leaves room for both co-operation amd competition.
Naturally it attracts the odd lost soul who feeds on the dismay of others.
Goons all come from a website that is a haven for tearful neckbearded manchildren so naturally they need to realise themselves through messing with others.
I don't log on solely to bother people but must admit tat some whines from players that don't even try will bring out the worst in me.

You are walking down a dark path.

We have a car. :getin:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-18 01:20:30 UTC
Klandi wrote:

I suppose I am writing this because I want those that gank and harvest tears to think that maybe the frustration that their victim feels is because the gameplay has forced them to play this way.

EvE is a sandbox, the only thing forcing them to play that way is lack of imagination / ability to adapt.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#5 - 2013-08-18 01:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Eve leaves room for both co-operation amd competition.
Naturally it attracts the odd lost soul who feeds on the dismay of others.
Goons all come from a website that is a haven for tearful neckbearded manchildren so naturally they need to realise themselves through messing with others.
I don't log on solely to bother people but must admit tat some whines from players that don't even try will bring out the worst in me.

You are walking down a dark path.

We have a car. :getin:



You can Enter the Car, Go Forward Along the Path, Go Back the Way you came.

Go into the woods.


...


It is Dark, you are eaten by a Grue.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-08-18 02:11:45 UTC
Tears are best enjoyed when shared with friends (or frienemies...)
Tinker Vuld
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-08-18 02:21:20 UTC
Truly a touching tale Feyd, bravo.

www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free.

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#8 - 2013-08-18 04:27:42 UTC
Klandi wrote:
In TMC, this article written by Tubrug looked at the value and causing of tears both as a currency and as fun. An interesting read however the man feels disturbed and writes angrily imo but I want to highlight an area that he seems to overlooked. .


I don't think many other people feel this way. I have witnessed Tubrug harvest tears and celebrate the tears others have generated. I have yet to see him cry or go into a fit of rage.

Klandi wrote:


The plight of the hi-sec "pubbie" as the goon overlords like to refer to them, is in all probability caused because they are a casual player. This means that they do not have the time or want to spend the time to work on relationships in the game.

Think about it. Most stuff in Eve takes a huge amount of time and effort, cultivating relationships is no exception. .


Spoken as a true pubbie. Eve is what you make of it. There are plenty of corps and other groups that welcome the casual gamer. But if it's just "casual," why the tears? I don't cry when I lose at solitaire. Why cry when an internet spaceship blows up on a computer screen?

Klandi wrote:
As they have not the network/contacts etc, they must remain in high sec most of the time to earn a living. Why? All the industrial stuff is in hi-sec. They can sell their stuff easily in hi-sec and they need to earn isk because they want the game to pay for itself (as the missus said that money can be put to better use than paying for pixels), so they must turn to a craft that does not take much time and delivers a return.


Not true... at all. Just check out the recruiting channel in game- plenty of corps to choose from outside of high sec. No, not all the industrial stuff is in highsec. It is much easier to anchor a pos in lowsec and null, for instance, and you cannot build capitals in highsec. Mining and ratting in nullsec provides better isk than highsec (and no permit needed.)

Klandi wrote:


A lapse in concentration and a ganker gets them.

The immediate response to this is frustration and that is followed by not committed resignation but possibly an outburst and the resultant "tears" .


Many of these people actually do appear to suffer from internet spaceship anger control issues. As evidenced on www.minerbumping.com, this rage causes the "frustrated" to barely be able to type the English language in a readable format.

Klandi wrote:


I suppose I am writing this because I want those that gank and harvest tears to think that maybe the frustration that their victim feels is because the gameplay has forced them to play this way. Would you react any differently if you were forced to gank?

Flame away...


I think you are writing this because you got ganked recently and want to explain your tears away. Next time it happens, perhaps Dear Leader is sending his regards.

Big smile

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2013-08-18 04:49:47 UTC
The Mittani doesn't send his regards to just any random person feeling somewhat in pain in eve online.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#10 - 2013-08-18 05:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Alavaria Fera wrote:
The Mittani doesn't send his regards to just any random person feeling somewhat in pain in eve online.


Perhaps his power comes from the collective tears of the universe.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2013-08-18 05:27:23 UTC
Well, perhaps.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#12 - 2013-08-18 08:56:02 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:


Not true... at all. Just check out the recruiting channel in game- plenty of corps to choose from outside of high sec. No, not all the industrial stuff is in highsec. It is much easier to anchor a pos in lowsec and null, for instance, and you cannot build capitals in highsec. Mining and ratting in nullsec provides better isk than highsec (and no permit needed.)



Filled with a mixed of crazy, stupid and idiotic comments - I wish to focus on this one.

Did you read the part that specifies time? You know Erotica, the stuff that you spend scamming people - TIME.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned in the above paragraph require a massive amount of the stuff and you can NEVER be assured of a return. But there is one thing you are assured of - you will be ganked on the way to sell the stuff.

It may be easy to anchor a POS in low-sec/null but you spend most of you time defending it!. You cannot mine/rat in low sec because everyone is either out to get you or trying to get back to hi-sec to SELL the stuff is a necessity and the possibility of getting back is lower than doing it in hi-sec.

Building capitals - this is the most idiotic - this takes the most time in the game. This is when the game becomes a job due to the amount of stuff you need to build and the amount of mins you have to acquire to build the components then to ship them to a low-sec station for the building.

A casual player has no chance to do this - even a group of casual players would have difficulty.

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers. You cannot play this game as an industrial casually.

So in summary Erotica, you seem to have got you brain addled through all the honest scamming you do (I notice you only do that in hi-sec - why is that?) so pls think about your statements before posting.

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

BiscuitMonsterr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-08-18 09:14:38 UTC
Klandi wrote:


There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers.


Bingo.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#14 - 2013-08-18 09:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Klandi wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:


Not true... at all. Just check out the recruiting channel in game- plenty of corps to choose from outside of high sec. No, not all the industrial stuff is in highsec. It is much easier to anchor a pos in lowsec and null, for instance, and you cannot build capitals in highsec. Mining and ratting in nullsec provides better isk than highsec (and no permit needed.)



Filled with a mixed of crazy, stupid and idiotic comments - I wish to focus on this one.

Did you read the part that specifies time? You know Erotica, the stuff that you spend scamming people - TIME.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned in the above paragraph require a massive amount of the stuff and you can NEVER be assured of a return. But there is one thing you are assured of - you will be ganked on the way to sell the stuff.

It may be easy to anchor a POS in low-sec/null but you spend most of you time defending it!. You cannot mine/rat in low sec because everyone is either out to get you or trying to get back to hi-sec to SELL the stuff is a necessity and the possibility of getting back is lower than doing it in hi-sec.

Building capitals - this is the most idiotic - this takes the most time in the game. This is when the game becomes a job due to the amount of stuff you need to build and the amount of mins you have to acquire to build the components then to ship them to a low-sec station for the building.

A casual player has no chance to do this - even a group of casual players would have difficulty.

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers. You cannot play this game as an industrial casually.

So in summary Erotica, you seem to have got you brain addled through all the honest scamming you do (I notice you only do that in hi-sec - why is that?) so pls think about your statements before posting.


Because you threw so much in together, I just broke it down piece by piece. I never said the casual player should invest in making capitals- I just completely disagree with your comment that all the isk is made in highsec. I'll address your new novella here as well, just without all the damn quotations.


Did you read the part that specifies time? You know Erotica, the stuff that you spend scamming people - TIME.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned in the above paragraph require a massive amount of the stuff and you can NEVER be assured of a return. But there is one thing you are assured of - you will be ganked on the way to sell the stuff.

ANSWER: Use couriers like everyone else. Each account has 3 character slots. Even the most casual player can have 1 toon for jita trades. Plus, everyone knows I don't scam.

It may be easy to anchor a POS in low-sec/null but you spend most of you time defending it!. You cannot mine/rat in low sec because everyone is either out to get you or trying to get back to hi-sec to SELL the stuff is a necessity and the possibility of getting back lower than doing it in hi-sec.

ANSWER: Don't join a **** corp. Your friends will defend that stuff for you because they want "good fights" while you print isk. You can also mine or rat in low sec because if you don't join a **** corp, you will have more friends there than people "out to get you." Couriers apply here as well. Set your collateral and rewards appropriately and you have nothing to worry about- or use a trustworthy corp or alliance service.

Building capitals - this is the most idiotic - this takes the most time in the game. This is when the game becomes a job due to the amount of stuff you need to build and the amount of mins you have to acquire to build the components then to ship them to a low-sec station for the building.

ANSWER: Simply a comment regarding your absolutely silly comment that all industry is in highsec. Don't read too much into it.

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers. You cannot play this game as an industrial casually.

ANSWER: Research what makes sense to make and what makes sense to buy. There are spreadsheets and websites on the internet to make this quicker for you. You choosing industry as a casual player is not my problem- it is your choice.

So in summary Erotica, you seem to have got you brain addled through all the honest scamming you do (I notice you only do that in hi-sec - why is that?) so pls think about your statements before posting.

ANSWER: Why are you so angry and rattled? I am currently sitting in lowsec by the way since I do undock and fly around all the time. In fact, I just opened a corp office here if you'd like to visit. I'm sitting in Tasti. If I wanted to make random comments I wouldn't have broken apart your nonsense into understandable chunks and addressed each one. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you have to be so mean and nasty. Why is it that carebears are the rudest people in this game? LOL

edit* what's so wrong about ganking illegal miners and taking their contraband from their wrecks? Why are you so mad?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2013-08-18 09:19:14 UTC
Gank erryday

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2013-08-18 09:22:52 UTC
But if everyone becomes a ganker, who is left to gank, aha

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#17 - 2013-08-18 09:23:23 UTC
The Tears meme is riddled with logical fallacies.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2013-08-18 09:24:08 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
ANSWER: Don't join a **** corp. Your friends will defend that stuff for you because they want "good fights" while you print isk. You can also mine or rat in low sec because if you don't join a **** corp, you will have more friends there than people "out to get you."

Be a renter.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2013-08-18 09:24:47 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
The Tears meme is riddled with logical fallacies.

Delicious, but suspicious,
Tears or troll?
I post.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#20 - 2013-08-18 09:25:53 UTC
Erotica - you are still not thinking!!

Couriers take isk and plenty of it for hireage AND COLLATERAL. Where is a casual player going to get that amount of isk?

Time is the enemy here time to make the friends, time to do the stuff that needs doing to lay the foundation to get the isk - time.

And me - I'm a sweetie :)

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

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