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Which Ship would you like to see remodelled?

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Abishai
#341 - 2013-08-15 19:49:40 UTC
dominix
imicus
condor

Marwolaeth Arglwydd
Alternate Powers
#342 - 2013-08-16 00:37:25 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
I would like to see a revamp of all T2 ships in line with what was done for the Bombers. Were they take the lines of the T1 version and modify it for the roll they are to fill. I understand that the Bombers were done the way they were to accommodate for the new launchers that came out. But it also made them look a whole lot better.

Also it would be nice to have at least one unique ship of each frig/cruiser/BC/BS for each pirate fraction. And a complete rework of the Caldari Cruiser line.



i think i can speak for the whole art team that we want to see different versions for every t2 version as well, but due to time constraints we couldnt do that so far.



I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....
WhateverComes
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2013-08-16 16:00:45 UTC
Falcon/Blackbird
Kryttos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#344 - 2013-08-16 17:57:14 UTC
Raven, Gila, Buzzard, Dominix
Solhild
Doomheim
#345 - 2013-08-16 17:57:16 UTC
Put simply, CCP need to massively increase the capacity of the art dept. More ship redesigns/refreshes, more unique space assets and effects, new stations and docking arrays, etc. etc.

I'm getting sick of hearing that there's a bottleneck in Art. Also - pay them more, their work is awesome (apart from the talwar and reaper) P
CCP BunnyVirus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#346 - 2013-08-16 17:58:02 UTC
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
I would like to see a revamp of all T2 ships in line with what was done for the Bombers. Were they take the lines of the T1 version and modify it for the roll they are to fill. I understand that the Bombers were done the way they were to accommodate for the new launchers that came out. But it also made them look a whole lot better.

Also it would be nice to have at least one unique ship of each frig/cruiser/BC/BS for each pirate fraction. And a complete rework of the Caldari Cruiser line.



i think i can speak for the whole art team that we want to see different versions for every t2 version as well, but due to time constraints we couldnt do that so far.



I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months

3D Artist

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#347 - 2013-08-16 18:01:49 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
I would like to see a revamp of all T2 ships in line with what was done for the Bombers. Were they take the lines of the T1 version and modify it for the roll they are to fill. I understand that the Bombers were done the way they were to accommodate for the new launchers that came out. But it also made them look a whole lot better.

Also it would be nice to have at least one unique ship of each frig/cruiser/BC/BS for each pirate fraction. And a complete rework of the Caldari Cruiser line.



i think i can speak for the whole art team that we want to see different versions for every t2 version as well, but due to time constraints we couldnt do that so far.



I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


Why does it take so much longer now? How did you get Trinity done all at once?

Katrina Oniseki

Spurty
#348 - 2013-08-16 18:10:06 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Why does it take so much longer now? How did you get Trinity done all at once?


Did you seriously just ask that?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Solhild
Doomheim
#349 - 2013-08-16 18:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solhild
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
I would like to see a revamp of all T2 ships in line with what was done for the Bombers. Were they take the lines of the T1 version and modify it for the roll they are to fill. I understand that the Bombers were done the way they were to accommodate for the new launchers that came out. But it also made them look a whole lot better.

Also it would be nice to have at least one unique ship of each frig/cruiser/BC/BS for each pirate fraction. And a complete rework of the Caldari Cruiser line.



i think i can speak for the whole art team that we want to see different versions for every t2 version as well, but due to time constraints we couldnt do that so far.



I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


I rest my case. (for more Art Devs so more art awesomeness + pay them more Big smile)
CCP BunnyVirus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#350 - 2013-08-16 23:45:46 UTC
Solhild wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:
I would like to see a revamp of all T2 ships in line with what was done for the Bombers. Were they take the lines of the T1 version and modify it for the roll they are to fill. I understand that the Bombers were done the way they were to accommodate for the new launchers that came out. But it also made them look a whole lot better.

Also it would be nice to have at least one unique ship of each frig/cruiser/BC/BS for each pirate fraction. And a complete rework of the Caldari Cruiser line.



i think i can speak for the whole art team that we want to see different versions for every t2 version as well, but due to time constraints we couldnt do that so far.



I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


I rest my case. (for more Art Devs so more art awesomeness + pay them more Big smile)


I like the pay more part :D

3D Artist

Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#351 - 2013-08-16 23:52:20 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:

I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


So CCP doesn't have enough art devs to make 4 new ships (what is basically required to rework one ship line) every three months?

Ok next time there is a thing to vote on for what CCP needs to do, I am going to put hire more artists up there.
S'Way
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#352 - 2013-08-17 00:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
The Helios.
Why it ever got changed from the good Maulus hull type to that awful Imicus one is a mystery.
Or better yet, update the Maulus hull to be all new and shiny keeping the same basic design shape, then make the Helios the T2 version of that.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#353 - 2013-08-17 09:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Kethry Avenger wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:

I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


So CCP doesn't have enough art devs to make 4 new ships (what is basically required to rework one ship line) every three months?

Ok next time there is a thing to vote on for what CCP needs to do, I am going to put hire more artists up there.

They out source it all, at least they use too, and they just have a few art devs to touch up the art right?

They don't hire enough people to redo all the ships unless they want to pay for more out sourcing. Look at dust can't even get more than one model done for the dropsuits every 6 months.

with such a small team I'd rather see the art team working onthe look of the game when you are zoomed out, and the map. I mean bang for your buck. Look at any other tactical space game, when you zoom out it looks awesome, and fun.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

cerbus
Carpe Noctem.
#354 - 2013-08-17 09:44:23 UTC
release some of the existing veneers for us in the mean time, mmmkay?

http://eohgames.com/labs/Ships/Moros%20Navy%20Issue

This character is no longer affiliated with the Caldari Prime Pony Club.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#355 - 2013-08-17 09:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
cerbus wrote:
release some of the existing veneers for us in the mean time, mmmkay?

http://eohgames.com/labs/Ships/Moros%20Navy%20Issue
Please, no more camouflage skins *shudders*

If the likes of Ishukone can have their own colour/texture style, so can the Empire factions!
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#356 - 2013-08-17 13:12:51 UTC
Andrew Articuli
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#357 - 2013-08-17 15:38:11 UTC
Every gallante one but the comet,
Time Hunt
Perkone
Caldari State
#358 - 2013-08-17 17:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Time Hunt
Has anyone mentioned the Phoenix yet?

Edit: Other Ugly Ships:

- Arbitrator
- Caracal
- Moa
- Osprey
- Celestis
- Exequror
- Thorax
- Bantam
- Imicus
- Maulus
- Aeon
Cade Windstalker
#359 - 2013-08-17 18:41:30 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
They out source it all, at least they use too, and they just have a few art devs to touch up the art right?


Where did you get this little gem of factual inaccuracy?

In game, press ESC, go to the tab bar of the ESC menu, and click on the far right hand tab labeled "About Eve". This contains developer credits list, there's a nice section for the art team :)

Kethry Avenger wrote:
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
Marwolaeth Arglwydd wrote:

I completely understand, but would 1 ship type reworked every 3 months or so be possible? It would take a while to work you way though all T2's but as long as its a trickle of revamped ships....


It would be more like one at a time and it definetly not possible to rework 1 ship type every 3 months


So CCP doesn't have enough art devs to make 4 new ships (what is basically required to rework one ship line) every three months?

Ok next time there is a thing to vote on for what CCP needs to do, I am going to put hire more artists up there.


A few problems with this, one it's not "4 ships at a time" it's an entire T2 class, which contains up to 8 ships.

Second, we tend to think of this as "oh, yeah, I can totally model that in a month!" when we look at a problem like this, where as in reality there's a large process of conception, design, review, and revision that goes into a hull like the Stealth Bombers. Sure it's possible someone can pull and awesome, original design out of thin air that requires very little review and revision to fit into the art style of the game, match lore, and look awesome (and probably a few other things I'm not thinking of). If you can do this reliably year after year then they'd probably like to hire you! Also you're a special, magic, one in a billion person because that's just about impossible.

As for the "HIRE MORE ARTISTS!!!" bit, that's kind of mean to the artists actually. So, they take on more talent specifically to revise ship hulls. When that's done in, say, a year, now what? They'll probably have to fire those artists because they aren't needed anymore and they don't have enough work to justify keeping them around. Never mind where they're going to get the money to pay them in the first place.

TLDR: CCP's art team is awesome and deserves cookies.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
#360 - 2013-08-17 19:26:47 UTC
black op battleships should be remodeled to look as crazy cool as the bombers. fyi