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Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-16 20:37:22 UTC
Would you pay a bit more for a PLEX if you knew CCP would donate the extra amount to space exploration research?

I was lucky enough to get one of CCP's four free tickets to the Starship Congress, currently going on in Dallas, TX. Being here has made me wish there was a more concrete way for me to actively contribute to the research going on in space propulsion, closed-loop habitats, and other related topics.

So I was thinking: if CCP introduced a sort of 'premium' PLEX, which would cost $25 instead of $20, with $5 for each one bought going to an organization such as Icarus Intersteller (or some other group dedicated to space exploration research), would you buy one? They would likely sell for more isk in-game, but I, for one, would gladly pay 650 mil isk or more to PLEX my account if I knew some money was going to research. Hell, if that were the case I'd gladly PLEX all my friends accounts too.

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Dimaloun Vyreen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-08-16 20:43:25 UTC
That'd be a great idea. NASA is also researching a warp drive. Seeing if one is possible, that is.

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Zane Lowe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-16 20:47:03 UTC
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-08-16 20:53:50 UTC
Zane Lowe wrote:
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?



Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX?

No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX.

The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.
Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-16 20:55:15 UTC
Zane Lowe wrote:
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?



Mostly because I have a decent amount of isk but very little disposable cash. This would essentially be a way to support research with isk, while not really costing CCP anything extra (except for the time it would take to add the item into the database, update the website, and cut a check every once in a while.)

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Kames Jerk
Adriatic Explorers
#6 - 2013-08-16 20:55:58 UTC
I certainly would pay more for such a PLEX, provided there was transparency in the process. I'd feel a lot beter if I could see some numbers from CCP showing where the money went.

I should also mention that CCP is a major sponsor of the Icarus Interstellar Starship Congress going on this weekend. Good on them!
Whitehound
#7 - 2013-08-16 20:56:23 UTC
No, thank you. We already have a nice planet we can live on and still we fail to give everyone a good life here. Give too much money to space exploration and all you get is something like in the sci-fi film Elysium, where rich bricks live in space and everyone else gets left behind on Earth.

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#8 - 2013-08-16 20:57:31 UTC
I think OP wants to donate ISK to fund space exploration research

OP pays 200m more for a PLEX+ ingame

Somone pays £5 more for PLEX+ from CCP

CCP gives £5 to X

they trade and OP has indirectly donated £5.



This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-08-16 20:57:51 UTC
Ambassador Spock wrote:
Would you pay a bit more for a PLEX if you knew CCP would donate the extra amount to space exploration research?

I was lucky enough to get one of CCP's four free tickets to the Starship Congress, currently going on in Dallas, TX. Being here has made me wish there was a more concrete way for me to actively contribute to the research going on in space propulsion, closed-loop habitats, and other related topics.

So I was thinking: if CCP introduced a sort of 'premium' PLEX, which would cost $25 instead of $20, with $5 for each one bought going to an organization such as Icarus Intersteller (or some other group dedicated to space exploration research), would you buy one? They would likely sell for more isk in-game, but I, for one, would gladly pay 650 mil isk or more to PLEX my account if I knew some money was going to research. Hell, if that were the case I'd gladly PLEX all my friends accounts too.



Not really. The company I work for donates to the charities of our own choosing each year. All I do is pick 3 charities ($1,000 per charity, I guess I could choose more than 3 but meh) (Boobies [Cancer], Cancer Research, and SETI).

Maybe I'll pick a different space affiliated foundation what with Congress and their earmarking loveliness.

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Kames Jerk
Adriatic Explorers
#10 - 2013-08-16 20:59:54 UTC
Darth Peaches wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?



Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX?

No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX.

The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.


I'd be very annoyed if the donation went to NASA. I'd much rather my donation go to one of the very deserving private organizations pushing the ball forward on space travel. NASA is too focused on "quick" achievable goals and very little big picture, though that's more a product of their risk-averse funding source than anything else.
Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-08-16 21:02:30 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
I think OP wants to donate ISK to fund space exploration research

OP pays 200m more for a PLEX+ ingame

Somone pays £5 more for PLEX+ from CCP

CCP gives £5 to X

they trade and OP has indirectly donated £5.



This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.


Yeah that makes it far more understandable. Regardless, it kind of forces it on everyone else who buys PLEX which I don't approve of.
Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-08-16 21:07:55 UTC
Darth Peaches wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?



Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX?

No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX.

The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.


The idea wouldn't be to replace PLEX, but to offer another option for players wanting to make advanced space exploration a reality. After all, CCP is all about advancing this kind of research.

For those only concerned with the cheapest PLEX (the vast majority of players, I am sure - and there is nothing wrong with that), they can buy a normal PLEX. But for people like me, with a bit more isk than we need, which we'd love to use for a good cause, the new PLEX would be an option.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-08-16 21:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Ambassador Spock wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
Zane Lowe wrote:
Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?



Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX?

No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX.

The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.


The idea wouldn't be to replace PLEX, but to offer another option for players wanting to make advanced space exploration a reality. After all, CCP is all about advancing this kind of research.

For those only concerned with the cheapest PLEX (the vast majority of players, I am sure - and there is nothing wrong with that), they can buy a normal PLEX. But for people like me, with a bit more isk than we need, which we'd love to use for a good cause, the new PLEX would be an option.



That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.

If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.

(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc).

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Ambassador Spock
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-08-16 21:33:25 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.

If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.

(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc).


Again, this would be for people who don't have much money but have enough isk to pay for the game using PLEX. And it wouldn't take any money out of CCP's coffers since for every PLEX bought on the market by me, someone somewhere paid CCP real money for it.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-08-16 21:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Ambassador Spock wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.

If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.

(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc).


Again, this would be for people who don't have much money but have enough isk to pay for the game using PLEX. And it wouldn't take any money out of CCP's coffers since for every PLEX bought on the market by me, someone somewhere paid CCP real money for it.
Which means it takes money away from CCP,
because they give away the money somebody paid them for a PLEX.

Edit: It really doesn't matter how you spin it.
CCP loses money, because they don't get to keep the money somebody gave them.
Your goodwill of donating ISK seems kind of ridiculous to me,
even if you had actual good intentions. Blind, but good.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2013-08-16 22:54:35 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.


Plex for Good is the easiest way to handle the support of external projects. It might be relabelled as "PLEX For Space" so Vaerah's fund doesn't end up sending charity money off to rich Americans ;)

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Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-16 23:23:17 UTC
If the real value dollar amount of PLEX goes up, then the game market ISK value goes up with it. I sell PLEX so I don't really care, but others might and it's crazy to think that the in game market value will stay the same, so yeah, is this an idea that people will be cool with.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2013-08-16 23:41:22 UTC
I think the real question should be: What would you do for a Klondike Bar?





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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-08-16 23:46:13 UTC
If the cash was going to a private company and not Nasa, then yes I would.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2013-08-16 23:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
With all their money, CCP can just make a bulk donation to one of those organizations.

Why should they shill their customers for even more cash just to "look good" to the rest of the world ?

Why rely on customers when they could already donate at least a small portion of the past decade's bottom line ?

edit: Imagine if Exxon added a gasoline surcharge for their donations to Public Television.

Same thing.

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