Ships & Modules

Why is there such a large price difference between rattlesnakes and all the other pirate faction battleships? All the other ships are currently worth about twice as much as the rattlesnake in jita, but all of them have the same manufacturing cost and the method of procuring blueprints are also relatively similar, that being DED sites or LP shop, and yet the huge price gap between this and the others. Why oh why oh why?

pretty much what termy said, rattle is ultimately much more niche ship than the other pirate BS, drones hit a ceiling of DPS and the rattles cruise are unbonused so dont add enough to make up for this, rattle can with max skills, 4 drone dmg amps, triple faction BCS hit 1100 DPS, which is baseically mediocre to the other pirate bs & even the faction bs now, oh and drones have no affecting implants.

Because EFT warriors make it so.

They blow up less.. Well they actually never ever blowup :P

Drone dps is good but mirrored by Dominix far too easily. In that regard even with ishtar. Now eos and god knows with who..

Rattlesnake can do lvl 4s easily... As every other BS...

They have nearly no place in PvP... Too slow and too big to be a swift drone dps ship or too small to have too many drones as in Slowcat doctrines.

Small gang PvP is nearly non existent with BSs. Even if used that way, you are too slow to actually be useful in a small gang. Probably you will be the one dragging the gang down with your slow speed and agility. (Other pirate BSs have unique and very useful pvp specialties)

RS has the greatest tank for BS with the least amount of money...

Thus it has been used in neutralizing high end plexes

Thus it has been used in lvl5s

It is also confirmed that you can fly a RS drunk and can tell the story how you fall asleep in a lvl4 until DT.

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TLDR : They are mediocre boring ships from a pirate faction which you cant even bling bling to show off cause it doesn't really matter even though they are the greatest looking pirate BS around(at least for me)...

They are not exciting to fly.

The Nightmare is a DPS monster, looks amazing and sees a lot of action in Incursion fleets.
The Vindicator is a meatgrinder at short range, also demanded for Incursions and station games.
The Machariel is probably the fastest all-around mission runner, best agility and speed in the BS class, amazing damage projection, makes for a terrific sniper, and shines in PvP as well.
The Bhaalgorn drains you quicker than you can spellcheck its name, and stops you dead.

But the Rattlesnake...is just meh. It can sport a massive tank but crawls at molasses speed.

You can't snipe on it, as your drone control range won't go beyond 110Km with perfect skills unless you sacrifice rigs for that (LOL), and its 4 launchers are unbonused.

I've seen a certain Goon using one as a cynobait, which I guess it's OK, but it's PvP uses are very limited and depend on certain circumstances.

Mission runners use them...but they only ever buy ONE, as losing a Rattlesnake to a lvl 4 mission is extremely unlikely.

Ships without PvP uses > no PvP > people don't need replacements that often> demand goes down > price goes down.

ppl saying that rattlesnakes cost less, becuase less ppl buy them should actually look at market data. RS (~42/day) are more often bought than vindis(~29/day) and less than mach (55-60/day), but only rattle is so cheap. Personally i would say it's because of supply from cfc space.

The sum total of this thread is that the Rattlesnkae needs *something* to spruce it up a bit. The other Pirate BSs stand out from the rest of the battleship pack, the 'snake on the other hand has a nice tank and the same bonused drones as soooo many other drone boats.

It's a good ship, not a great one.

I'd disagree... before I stopped drinking I'd take a tanky Tengu into L4's, pick a battleship, hit the 10MN AB, orbit it, and hit F1 on every other ship. Retarget occassionally, and hit F1 again when targets loaded.

Yeah, but rogue scenery can get you killed.

The floating brick ****house, on the other hand, doesn't have that issue.

This entire thread is full of bad information.

The reason the are cheap is the skill set needed.

Not many players train up missiles and drones to a level high enough to make the RS shine.

It takes more SP to all L5 a well fit rattlesnake then any other sub cap.


They are the best ships for L4's with ease.

I put out 1241.1 dps with mine and it has no range issues.
It lands almost every last bit of it's max dps numbers and does it with damage type of choice.

It's the single best anchor/tank in incursions.
If you are in a 40 man fleet without one expect losses.
Navy scorpions are your only other good chance of not watching people go pop.

They are incredible for pvp but not for the typical run in and dps role.
They can sniper with wardens/cruise missiles and still bash on anything fast enough to get up on it.
Gardes on the approach and heavies/lights under 20k. All while neuting the small ship that is making the attempt.

They also can passive tank L5's in low sec and spider tank in wormholes.

You won't see a RS shine till you have about 40-50 million sp in related skills.
I'd bet no one in this thread so far is specialized in missiles/drones. Hit me up in game if you need more info.