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Probe Scanning - Impossible to found Data/Relic Site.

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Ip Man-li
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-20 15:30:07 UTC
Hello everybody,

I started to scan yesterday, and i fitted my Heron for the exploration :

- 2x Salvager I
- Sisters Core Probe Launcher + 8x Sisters Core Scanner Probe
- Data & relic analyzer and some other misc stuff.

I started at 8PM yesterday, i've visited around 25 different system, i changed from gallente space to amarr space, i tried from 0.9 to 0.2 sec.

I readed 8 different writted tutorial from Eve university to homemade guide of some player, I watched +- 5 youtube tutorial from 14min duration to 1h31 duration.

I've talked with 3-4 different people who spended 30min with me to see what is wrong,

And with all of this stuff, i CANT FOUND ANY DATE OR RELIC SITE !!!! AND ITS DRIVING ME INSANE !!!

Whats happend with me? How is this possible to be so unlucky? Whats is wrong? Did i forget to do or learn something?

The skillz in relation with scan probing its only to reduce the " time " u spend to discover a site, there is nothing in relation with the " luck " to found a date or relic site.

I explained u all of what i did to make u understand i'm not stupid and i'm someone who move his ass to fixe the problems, but it seems to be out of my control and i would like to know if someone else have the problem.


Thanks
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-06-20 15:43:48 UTC
Only astrometric acquisition decreases scan time. astrometric pinpointing decreases deviation which can decrease scan time, but also increases accuracy. And astrometric rangefinding increases your probes strength, making it easier to scan down more complicated sites.

You should use a ship that gives a bonus to scanning, fit scanning rigs and scanning related modules and see if this helps.

Also have someone in your corp who has scanning skills / setup find a site for you and see if you can scan it down. Depending on where you are and security status you may simply not have the skills needed to scan down the sites or they could all be getting grabbed by other players. They are pretty popular and if you're in a heavily populated area they will be the first to go since they require no PVE skills or fittings.
Gwylfan Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-12 02:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwylfan Madeveda
You are not alone...

I've had a very frustrating day myself with the very same thing..

Using my Probe I did much the same.. went all over the place from .6 up.. over and over all I can find are Combat Sites and Wormholes.. I'm not equiped for combat.. I did this the entire day.. I'm starting to wonder if Data/Relic sites exist, I've only seen them in the tutorial..

oh.. word of advise.. don't go in the wormholes yet.. :)
Kairavi Mrithyakara
#4 - 2013-08-12 05:14:56 UTC
Ip Man-li wrote:
Hello everybody,

I explained u all of what i did to make u understand i'm not stupid and i'm someone who move his ass to fixe the problems, but it seems to be out of my control and i would like to know if someone else have the problem.


LOL, this isn't a problem per se, at least not as far as it being a bug is concerned. Data and relic and gas sites are a lot rarer than wormholes and combat sites: keep at it, you'll find some eventually.
Neor Deninard
Blackwater Coalition Forces
Harkonnen Federation
#5 - 2013-08-12 05:26:56 UTC
During the weekend there are tons and tons of people looking for them, you have to get lucky. Anything with more than 10 ppl in system in high sec is automatic -> next system for me. Don't even bother checking.

You'll want to go deep into null and find one every 2 or 3 systems, of even just the out back high sec systems. Watch out for the locals :) Though the danger usually is the gate camps from high -> low or low -> null.
Gwylfan Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-12 05:37:02 UTC

Well at least now I know it isn't unusual..

Since Combat sites are all over the place maybe add some guns and go for those while searching..

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-08-12 11:25:57 UTC
Until all your "Astro-" Skills are at Level 4 at least you will not resolve most of the descent Data and Relic Sites.

Also, those Salvagers are not needed for Data/Relic Sites anymore. You just scoop up the fleeing cans now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-08-12 15:40:03 UTC
The combat sites have the best earning potential anyway. most of the high sec sites can be done in a kestrel with light missiles as u can kite beyond the range of the rats. The rest are doable with moderate drake skills. Just google the site before you run it.
mostly u will get rubbish loot but the 100-300 mill drops that you sometimes get make it all worthwhile

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-08-12 17:46:59 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
The combat sites have the best earning potential anyway.



They can all occasionally be good.

Got a 3 run Large Sansha Pulse Battery BPC in High Sec Relic site netting 180,000,000 total for the 3 mods.

Got a 105,000,000 Centum Medium Armor Repairer in a High Sec Combat Site (Sansha Nation Occupied Mining Colony).

....and I hardly ever do these sites anymore. Better than pre-Odyssey results though.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Gwylfan Madeveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-08-12 18:11:07 UTC

So would I switch over to a fighting machine and leave the Probe docked?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2013-08-12 18:56:54 UTC
Gwylfan Madeveda wrote:

So would I switch over to a fighting machine and leave the Probe docked?



The T3 cruisers can easily handle both jobs. Or you can probe in your Probe then switch ships to a combat ship, or whatever.

I probe with an alt in a Loki that also hacks the data/relic sites.

I then go into combat sites in the T3 cruiser or Command Ship, or Navy Drake, whichever is more convenient to location.

Those T3's may not be allowed in some DED sites after Odyssey, but I can't verify that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2013-08-12 20:44:43 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gwylfan Madeveda wrote:

So would I switch over to a fighting machine and leave the Probe docked?

The T3 cruisers can easily handle both jobs. Or you can probe in your Probe then switch ships to a combat ship, or whatever.

I probe with an alt in a Loki that also hacks the data/relic sites.

I then go into combat sites in the T3 cruiser or Command Ship, or Navy Drake, whichever is more convenient to location.

Those T3's may not be allowed in some DED sites after Odyssey, but I can't verify that.

Maybe try a Gnosis. It was designed for exploration. It even looks like a sextant.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-08-12 20:52:14 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gwylfan Madeveda wrote:

So would I switch over to a fighting machine and leave the Probe docked?

The T3 cruisers can easily handle both jobs. Or you can probe in your Probe then switch ships to a combat ship, or whatever.

I probe with an alt in a Loki that also hacks the data/relic sites.

I then go into combat sites in the T3 cruiser or Command Ship, or Navy Drake, whichever is more convenient to location.

Those T3's may not be allowed in some DED sites after Odyssey, but I can't verify that.

Maybe try a Gnosis. It was designed for exploration. It even looks like a sextant.


Brilliant ! That indeed it does. So the Apotheosis also, needless to say.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Khara Storm
Reaper Denied
#14 - 2013-08-13 16:23:12 UTC
Another thing to try if you are patient enough is to go to one of the systems that has the training sites in it. While you will have to sort through a lot of chaff (Training sites), I frequently find data and combat sites and have no competition, due to people not wanting to deal with all the junk returns.
Orlacc
#15 - 2013-08-13 17:26:33 UTC
Since Odyssey, high sec is crawling with "explorers." Especially on weekends. Hence no sites. Be patient. Skill up. That is the secret. I average about 100m a day exploring in low-sec. Hell you don't even need guns anymore for relic and data sites.

And get out of high sec as soon as you feel capable.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2013-08-14 16:55:58 UTC
Ip Man-li wrote:
Hello everybody,

I started to scan yesterday, and i fitted my Heron for the exploration :

- 2x Salvager I
- Sisters Core Probe Launcher + 8x Sisters Core Scanner Probe
- Data & relic analyzer and some other misc stuff.

I started at 8PM yesterday, i've visited around 25 different system, i changed from gallente space to amarr space, i tried from 0.9 to 0.2 sec.

I readed 8 different writted tutorial from Eve university to homemade guide of some player, I watched +- 5 youtube tutorial from 14min duration to 1h31 duration.

I've talked with 3-4 different people who spended 30min with me to see what is wrong,

And with all of this stuff, i CANT FOUND ANY DATE OR RELIC SITE !!!! AND ITS DRIVING ME INSANE !!!

Whats happend with me? How is this possible to be so unlucky? Whats is wrong? Did i forget to do or learn something?

The skillz in relation with scan probing its only to reduce the " time " u spend to discover a site, there is nothing in relation with the " luck " to found a date or relic site.

I explained u all of what i did to make u understand i'm not stupid and i'm someone who move his ass to fixe the problems, but it seems to be out of my control and i would like to know if someone else have the problem.


Thanks

The sites are either there or they aren't, no skill, ship bonus, or luck, affects whether you find a site or not. if your skills are low it is possible to find a site you have great difficulty getting to 100%, but you will at least see it. I found a lot of relic and data sites when I was exploring in the days following Odyssey, but have not done exploration in the last few weeks.

I would say chances are other explorers are just beating you to it. Now that every noob in the game can find sites with minimal effort, they do not last long. get into systems with less traffic and you will find them. generally if a system only has a couple signatures they will be wormholes and combat sites. you want to find systems that show 6 or more signatures when you jump in.

The big issue is with all signatures now showing in the ship scan explorers can quickly travel through systems, only stopping when they find systems with several to scan down. The same changes that make exploration easier, have also made it more competitive. You could consider some one else always beating you to the sites as bad luck, but really you just need to look in systems with much lower traffic. Sites are not just spawned at down time, but every time a site de-spawns after it gets completed, it re-spawns somewhere else. I have seen back water systems with 10-12 signatures. Just keep in mind the majority of signatures are combat sites and wormholes. With gravametric sites gone, data and relic sites are the rare ones. You just need to learn where, and when to look. luck really has very little to do with it. When you jump into a system after Odyssey every signature there automatically shows on your scanner. you just have to scan them down to 100% before you can warp to them. Higher skills will not find sites not already on the list. You can cover way more systems now, with out even putting out your probes until you find a place you want to stop.
Robbin Sund
#17 - 2013-08-16 03:32:16 UTC
Ip Man-li wrote:

Thanks



You could have been in someones tracks and a bit unlucky, with the exploration now many people are out there going fast for it even with an easily trained alt. : )

Next time it happens jump 5-6 jumps ahead and just check if you see a explorer-ship, im betting your just going after his trail.

going out to npcnull/lowsec I found a huge ammount of data/relic sites, staying in highsec gave me nothing in the span of 5 days looking.

Like others said, there is so many explorers out there id just assume your areas was cleaned minutes before you and the respawn time, cant remember what it was, but its a while. : )

One way trip! Why dont you drive?

Robbin Sund
#18 - 2013-08-16 03:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Robbin Sund
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One way trip! Why dont you drive?