Ships & Modules

Why do I have the feeling we're about to gather rivers of tears and rage from special snowflakes?


I predict showers, tropical rains like and tsunamis of tears. I can smell it from here and already tastes good.

Are you clueless? Have you never played docking games???

The engagment it will be trying to get to will be just outside the station and it will/could kill half your fleet before you force it to redock... Did you miss the memo about the 4 million ehp?

Docking games are part of the problem, not the solution.

Yes supers are very strong and very hard to kill. They also take months to build, and years to properly train into. Why would someone invest so much time and resources to get into a ship if it was easy to gank? Are they OP? Sure, when compared to the average ship, but not when you consider what it takes to get into one. Supers are not the problem. The problem is the power block coalitions and huge alliances that can mass produce them.

When supers were added to the game they were expected to be rare due to the resources required to build them. The thought was there would be only a hand full of Titans and MOM's in all of new eden at any given time. But players are more resourceful than that, and that artificial cap did not last long. Now they are over powered, not because they are not balanced to the effort and resources they require, but because they are to common. So what? We should nerf the hell out of them?

What happens to all the characters that have put the time into training for Titans and MOM's if they are nerfed into nothing more ship transporters and portable jumpbridges? Screw them, is not an acceptable reply. Most of those players have been dedicated loyal subscribers for a very long time. The solution has to work for them as well, not just the players crying about them being OP. There is no perfect solution to this issue. But are they really such a problem when the alliances that actually use them in combat are fighting other fleets of supers? Can they be brought into line without completely gimping their utility?

I say leave supers as they are, and buff dreads to kill them easier. If dreads had a special bonus, that was only effective against supers, like say a damage bonus that scales up that larger the signature radius of what it is targeting is. This may require an increase in the signature radius of supers to prevent dreads from blapping MWD battleships or other dreads, and carriers. Have it balanced so they do less damage than now to battleships,(dreads can still blap battleships which many consider a problem) do the same damage to capital ships and POSes as they do now, but 4 times the damage to supers with this new bonus. Such a change would also help make Citadel Cruise missiles and Torpedoes more viable. Currently even a Titan can speed tank a Citadel Torpedo to the point of taking not more than half damage from it. This should not be possible. As big as a Titans signature radius is, it is still far to small. Citadel Torpedos should be hitting a Titan fro full damage no matter how fast it is going. They are not fast ships, they are huge, it should be impossible to not score a good hit.

The point is, supers are not the ultra rare, one man fleet they once were. They are far more common, and far more disposable then they were ever expected to be. They need to be balanced as such. However simply nerfing them into uselessness is a real slap in the face for the long time loyal players that most of the super pilots are. If allowed to dock a lot of super pilots will simply fly something else unless their super is needed. If the dreads were buffed for combat against supers it would make them more vulnerable, and thus less OP for fleet battles, Which should again lead the them being used less. the impact of supers can be reduced in this way, without actually gimping their utility.

That´s like 49856 x 550.000.000 = 27.420.800.000.000 ISK

he said 3 accounts, so that is 49856 x 3 x 550,000,000 = 82,262,400,000,000 isk worth of PLEX. over 82 trillion isk.

Saw a Thany fit for sentries clearly out of whack, while the out of the box thinking make it interesting for specific situations there's one soon to come with some modules changes that will make them station docking games nasty over anything expected once some start realizing what they can achieve with.

Carriers should be given either the same restriction like supers (only fighters) or get their bonus apply to all drones but not able to fit drones modules and rigs.

Just an opinion.

wait, did that guy above me just compare nyx for a ratting carrier?
also, would supercarriers be able to dock, they would be gamebreaking op.
(i have a nyx, ive solo hotdropped with it, do you know how fast a carrier dies?)
i mean you could sit outside a lowsec kickout station, cap/shield or armor transfering a vigilant for example without risking **** (exept maybe the vigilant at some point) any subSuper you could pretty much kill before they turn around, and would someone hotdrop 5supers on you, deagro and just dock after a minute. hell, 28million effective hitpoints will last a while.


would it be awsome if all lowsec systems would have a super outside?

So if supers could only be docked at 1 outpost in the region, a large null sec alliance could have a stock pile of 300 supers sitting in that station. OK , I see how this could be a bad thing. But if an attacking force was to make that station their primary target and capture it, then they would be locked out of that stock pile until they reclaimed the outpost. There would be both advantages and disadvantages to this.

How many super pilots do not have sitting alts? How many of them would not take this as a chance to get out of their super and fly something else? Would this not lead to less supers being active in the game? A super that is docked collecting dust, is just an asset, not an active threat. If this was done there would be a lot less complaints when supers are nerfed even more when they get their balance pass.

Every super pilot that does have a sitter alt, that sitter alt is basically a private dock that can be used to hide the ship anywhere. Is that not far more game breaking than knowing exactly what station those supers are docked at. Hell, sitter alts would still be used just for that purpose, to hide the supers where the enemy cannot find them, or lock them down. Having a single station/outpost per 0.0 region (none in low sec) where they could dock would be less game breaking than sitter alts ARE NOW.

I are not talking about letting them dock at any station, but only 1-2 stations per NPC 0.0, and only 1 outpost per Sov 0.0. The outpost one would be a very expensive, advanced upgrade, and the first outpost to get one installed would lock out every other outpost in the region from installing it. A single station per sov region. Hell if that is not good enough, since supers can only be build in Sov 0.0 do not have any stations in NPC 0.0 where they can dock. Upgraded outposts only, and only one per region. This would not be game breaking as any null sec alliance that benefits from this would at the same time be putting their super fleet at risk of being locked down if that outpost is captured.

Look at this from both sides, not just the benefits it would have for those that can dock supers, this would bring added risk and penalties as well.

This would not only let super pilots dock their ships and fly something else, it would make those outposts where they can dock strategic locations, that need to be defended. An alliance could not simply move that home base to another location if the war is not going well. You defend that station with every thing you have, because if it is lost, your super capital fleet could be locked down. When invading another alliances space, that outpost would be a primary target. If you can capture it you can seriously cripple your enemies. This would become a strategic target, and a great conflict driver. After all more conflict drivers mean more PVP, and that is what everyone is here for is it not?

Now if the stations can be destroyed...