Crime & Punishment

Would one of the Incursion griefers mind clarifying something for me?

Before the latest change, did the logi pilots get a pop-up warning when they started rr'ing someone who had can-flipped a few minutes previously or no?

Thanks.

*a peaceful bump was heard when the lifeless body of Ammzi hit the ocean bottom.
An ocean created by the vast amount of griefer tears that CCP had demanded*

I suppose you have to find some gratification somewhere for playing the game like an asshat, lol.

Shame that you and your compatriots continually seem to contradict this claim of achievement by trying to undermine it having a presence in the game, even with it being so insignificant a change.

But there again I suppose I have to conclude its simply a double standard of simplistic propoganda designed to convince us that all is well else you wouldn't need to have to present it in such a way.

So much stupid fail, lol. Please can I be an incursion griefer "loser" also?

I do believe that the way you guys killed people was an exploit, since you get a warning for almost every other attempted act of aggression.

I do agree it only affected the first few people, and the profoundly dumb.

If they were attacking Incursion runners out of protest for incursions being easy ISK faucets I would have agreed with them. In fact I was in an alliance that was partly RP and all about fighting back Sansha and I run into others who were in that alliance but won't touch an incursion with a 10' pole. Why? Because incursions turned into a monetized grind fest, and that people will let the Sansha cap sit for days on it's site without engaging it and grinding more is something of a loophole.

Were it up to me, that cap would only site for a finite time during which time if it's NOT destroyed, NOBODY gets any LPs and NOBODY gets ISK. Why reward people for a failed mission?

And I am rather matter of fact about it. It feels like an easy grindfest and I don't play for easy grindfest. I know other ex-incursion players who got in during the live events, so much that the only reason why they kept playing the game is because of those live events, and seeing how the live events evolved into this ISK grindfest has them mightily let down.


I would have agreed with Skunkworks if their beef was about that.

If they had simply been about getting ISK and salvage loot, for the purposes of profit, and approached it as away of piracy that preys on the brainless (people who don't check things before clicking), I would not have been bothered by the whole affair.
There's a lot of good loot to get from incursion ships, in salvage alone! It's too bad that the Sansha ships will readily pop a salvage ship - I had a Burst get bursted at 120KM out once and was loaded with around 50M worth of T2 salvage.

So if it was about profit and piracy I would have said "that's interesting" and moved on.

If they had RP'ed Sansha supporters and did what they did as a last recourse given that Sansha supporters are pretty much left out - and even those of us who were RPing anti-Sansha goals were let down by that - I would have agreed.

But no.

They made it all about griefing, tears, "look at the billions of ISK we destroyed we so l33t", and mommy don't like it when the kids in the sandbox are not building sand castles. Yes it's OK to have battles between the castles, or pretend Godzilla is destroying castles, or whatever, but when some kids start smacking the others over the head with the pale and shovel and then point and laugh at the kids they smacked, mommy takes away the pales and shovels.


As for griefers leaving the game: Sociopaths Online is that way -->

I hope that arrow is pointed at Iceland.

Though it was not the only reason, this featured prominently in their "beef" with Incursion runners, and Incursions in general.

People say Incursions are "good content" - well, sorry, but **** that.

Missions are frankly less boring than "shoot 5 ships, warp to next site, shoot 5 ships, warp to next site, shoot 5 ships...."

Incursions WERE good content.

The players completely ruined them by turning them into a 23/7 grind machine.

Since you started shiptosting?

I'm not really sure what this post is about. You sound kinda mad, though, so buck up pal! CCP fixed another instance in which you might have to think in order to succeed in Eve. You should be celebrating your unearned victory, not calling those of us who are actually shaping the Eve world (in quite literal terms now) asshats and losers because Ad Hominem is the only recourse you could come up with.

It's just a game man; it sounds like you should probably introduce some perspective into your worldview.

If it's legitimately confusing to you, or seems like a contradiction: the change that CCP implemented (in haste) is cumbersome and a bit insulting to Eve players, imo, but it's still OUR change. The vigor of a mere dozen of us caused it's hurried implementation into the game world we all share, and we set the Incursion griefer bar pretty damn high (two titan kills worth of faction battleships in highsec, high). In fact, any time in the future that you are saved from your own careless actions destroying your spacethings by a popup about aggression, you should utter a small thank you to The Skunkworks. You guys just be real careful not to click the "do not show again" box on that little warning! :)

~Andrei.

why all the carebare hate? honestly if you want pvp go kill a foo in deadspace instead of gunning for people with perma rep fits.

ITT> REAL MEN SOLO KILL TITANS