EVE General Discussion

I should think the answer to this question would be rather obvious. The way that CCP spends their money matters to me because I love this game and I want to see it continue to improve. I understand that once the money leaves my hands it is no longer mine to control. We are neither developers nor investors, so the instruments with which we push for change are limited to the forums and the unsubscribe button. So, with this in mind, please take off your forum blinders and contribute to the discussion rather than picking apart our dear friend Lee.

Incarna was a disaster because it was not Eve. Whether it launched with a fully functioning set of space barbie clothes and rooms to play house in- or not- it wasn't Eve and the player-base reacted.

Micro-trans were a simmering issue already.
Micro-trans and FTP schemes are the current trend and CCP dabbled with it in Eve where it didn't fit very well, especially considering we already have PLEX and the ability to play for free. It does work in console games with impatient players like shooter fans tend to be. It wasn't a bad idea, just a bad idea for Eve.
For DUST, it's a great idea not trying to compete for $60 up front against AAA games already established in the genre. No other release method would get another shooter out to people who already have loyalties to established games.

In the end, Incarna was good for Eve because CCP was drifting a bit and it let them know which way to forge ahead- as a result we've had a couple years of amazing expansions. Amazing because they were about spaceships, not space barbie.

I wish that DUST would succeed. That sort of cross-genre, cross-platform game is the future of gaming. War gamers have long dreamed of having dedicated sim games in a shared world. Having a sim dedicated to the genre you prefer rather than one game that tries to do a little of several.
Shifting the paradigm of the current shooter genre may fail- but it's a worthy attempt. Current shooters are pointless violence. Battles are one off arena matches with no scope or larger context. DUST gives shooter fans a reason to fight other than playing barbie at the goodie store after a match. It makes players care about a game even when they aren't playing it, which is a real hook for getting people to log in- just to keep up on what's happening.

What renders CCP a little vulnerable is normally their strength- patience. Releasing an unpolished product with the intent of patching and expanding is a PC paradigm. That is unlikely to work on consoles with blockbuster titles released almost monthly and the average game length of a few hours.

Where, in everything I have said, did I allude to my opinion of DUST 514? Please, link the post, provide the quote, tell me exactly where I can find the part where I say anything about my feelings of DUST 514?

Nothing I have said has anything to do with my feelings, just the facts. Everything you have said is your feelings of what you think CCP should do with their money.

For the record, that last sentence of yours assumes what is called a false dichotomy. "Agree with me or you're a DUST fanboy". The accusation levelled against me about having my head up my arse due to your false dichotomy is a really head-up-the-arse kinda thing to say, especially when I haven't said anything about what I think of DUST. I've only addressed your delusion that you get to tell a private company what they can and cannot do with the money that you give them in exchange for a service provided.

The arguments on this tgread are the reason I come to GD

Well played all... Well played!

Agreed... what I suspect started off as a serious thread, turned out to be a troll fest...

Pass the Popcorn

The thing about this thread that amuses me is that I was against all the rage quitters from Incarna. But then CCP openly and publicly said it almost ruined them after the fact. Now that the game is healthy again there are all these people in this thread saying its non of the customers business what the company does with the money.

So everyone that says its none of our business what CCP does with the money is 100% wrong. In addition to that, everyone that was around for Incarna and complained is also a hypocrite.

Your tears are ******* delicious.

Drawing RL parallels to a spaceship game... You go girl.

You should have added a emote to let the readers know you weren't serious. When I read your answer, I thought, 'pfft! What an idiot', and moved on the the next post. If you had used one of these: , I'd would've figured you were being sarcastic and laughed at your joke. Instead, I came away from your thread thinking, 'He's an idiot.'

No. It is still none of the customer's business what the company does with its money, and Incarna is the perfect example why. What happened around Incarna was the customer realising that they had power over their own money and that if they company was not delivering a satisfactory product, or if they tried to double-dip, there was no reason to pay for. Incarna was a neat example of CCP doing one of the former and four of the latter (and yet, it's only really the former that people remember these days).

So CCP woke up and realise that, hey, it's very much CCP's business what CCP does with its money, because what they do with it will affect their viability as a company, so they should be more careful about it: stop feeding the golden goose and the eggs will stop coming (or, more accurately, try feeding beef to the goose and it will stop laying eggs just as surely as if you weren't feeding it at all). They also realised that they were not Apple: they could not go on stage and say “this is awesome” and have everybody fall in line — it actually had to be awesome as well.

Companies diversify and experiment with their product catalogue — it's part of their DNA. Any company that does not is 1) stupid, 2) going down the toilet. How the company does this with the money they've earned is none of the customers' business because it's not the customers' money any longer. If the customers are unhappy with the product they're paying for, they should stop paying for it because that part is their business. The only slight tweak is that the brand is often part of the product, and there are some customers who buy that more than the actual goods or the services themselves…

There is a big difference between deciding not to give CCP your money at all, and giving it to them but complaining about what they do with it. Big difference.