EVE General Discussion

Posting in a stealth buff Hello Kitty Online thread.

Okay, let's begin the smack talk with what you're paying for with your sub, and what happens to that money when it's no longer yours.

First of all, all you're paying for is to play EVE, whatever iteration it is in. Everything else is extra. Expansions are extra, they are free, and nowhere in the agreement to play EVE is there a clause that your money guarantees you those free expansions. CCP do not have to provide them, they do not have to work on them, they don't have to give us anything more than what we have right now.

Secondly, once you've handed over your money, what CCP chooses to do with it is entirely up to them, since it becomes their money. If they choose to fund DUST with that money, then they can fund DUST. If they choose to buy a pony and paint it bright pink, they can buy a pony and paint it bright pink. So long as the service that you were promised for the duration of your sub is provided, you have nothing to complain about.

The whole "but my sub money is funding something I don't want!" argument is fallacious, because once you've paid your sub for the game you are playing, it's no longer your sub money, making the "my sub money" part of the argument a false premise.

Before your money leaves your hand, it's entirely up to you to decide whether or not you're getting something worth parting you from that money. Complaining about it on the forums once that money leaves your hand serves no purpose.

I have to ask. Why do you call it a 2/2 fail from the last 2 major projects? You realise Incarna was 4 expansions ago right? Surely it would be a 2/6 failure?
Also, Incarnas failings were less to do with the update and more to do with the attitude and the idea of microtrans, and that was hastily corrected. Incarna also improved turret animation, fixed unbalanced jump bridge mechanics, improved the tutorial and added customisable API keys. I'd hardly call it a complete failure.

That's like paying taxes to the Government, finding out they are making chemical weapons, and then turning round and saying to everyone "what is it to you how the Government spends its' money?"

Before we even consider its failures compared to similar games, there's a basic problem with Dust in relation to EVE - shooter players tend to have a very short attentionspan when it comes to games - few shooters last more than a few months, let alone years. You'd have to be top game AND add additional content to the game to even make it have a chance. Locking it to an outgoing platform didn't help either.

In my opinion, what CCP should have done is step back and ask itself: "how will this game enrich the universe we are creating?" Dust wasn't a bad idea - as a standalone game. However, it should have still been executed considerably better to give it a chance. However, when it comes to tying into EVE, imo there are other genres that would work better.

For instance, imagine a colony building game, where different groups could vie for domination over a planet and its resources. A capsuleer would offer production contract to the planet and different administrators could race on how to fullfill it, where to get the resources, how to hinder the opposition (be it with sabotage or with outright warfare). We could have real planetary imports and exports, population migrations, etc. Imagine planetary administrators contracting capsuleers to transfer goods from one colony to the other or asking a good from another planet. Imagine massive terraforming projects, subterranean, subsurface or gas cloud colonies, etc. Enough content to keep strategists and builders occupied for years.

That's not the only such example that ties well into a long term gameplan. Shooters, however, aren't that long term.

1. I'm not your m8.
2. LOL.
3. I posted a ridiculous reply to a ridiculous post in the ridiculous thread of the forum so get with the program.
4. Before you reply with a (no doubt) witty retort cuz you got nothing better to do....oh nvm, go ahead.
5. I'm not your m8.

Everyone knows CCP actually makes chemical weapons for the Icelandic Government anyway and internet spaceships is merely a front.

This should have been the first line in your post.

Actually I am an investor in CCP. I spend my money on a monthly subscription so it is my money they are spending. That's the dumbest reply to a comment I have heard in a long while and this is GD!

If I and the few hundred thousand subscribers decided to withdraw our subscriptions from the company then how long do you think it would stay afloat as a game-developer?

I'm just going to address this, because the rest of it is just childish snark. It's related, though, because this is what we call an "excuse". Not the good kind of excuse, the kind of excuse after you get called on a claim and shown its flaws.

The statement you made had zero flavour of ridicule. Perhaps it was a Poe, who but the defensive way in which you knee-jerked to my response tells me it wasn't.

Saying something stupid, getting called on it, and then defending it with "oh I was only joking" is all well and good when you have hindsight on your side, but to me you'll always be Lee "the problem is never me, it's everyone else" Saisima.

Mate.

You're not an investor, you're a customer. Do you know how investment works? I suggest you learn. Customers are not investors. Once you have handed your monthly subscription money over, it is no longer yours, because you have exchanged it for the service provided. What is yours is your access to the EVE servers to play the game. That's what you get in return for the money you've spent.

An investor puts money into a company or one of its projects in order to reap the financial benefits, if any. It's more like gambling. You give them your money, wait for them to profit, they return your money plus a share of the profit. There is no exchange of goods or services for an investor, it's all about the profit.