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Help with an Explorer Loki Fit
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Drex Windborne
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-13 05:23:44 UTC
Evening fellow pilots. Looking for some advice on my current Nullsec explorer fit. I've lost a few cheetahs to solo sabre campers, and am hoping that this will keep me a little safer.

Loki Exploration: Low Kee

Highs:
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Salvager 1
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Meds:
Experimental 10 MN MWD
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner I
LSE II
LSE II

Lows:
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
WCS I
DC II

Rigs:
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Subs:
Defensive - Amplification Node
Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

PYFA Stats:
30k EHP (36.5K with DCII)
1464 m/s (2067 m/s OH)
78.1 / 65.0 / 63.3 / 56.2 Resists
Neuts 29 cap/s, 346 cap/volley 12s

The idea is that if I do get caught by a smaller ship, I can hopefully neut quickly and slip away. Should be tanky enough for the neut's to do their job, but I keep seeing fits with upwards of 50k to 70k EHP, which is certainly much more preferable. I'm thinking that's going to be difficult with my analyzer mids, but armor tanking will make me much less maneuverable also.

Any help from an experienced explorer and/or EFTPYFAWarrior would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

.Drex
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-08-13 05:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Looks something what I put together for the photo contest. I didn't bother with the neuts and never came close to being caught. Guns got me a free sisters launcher in a data site too. I'll post my fit if I remember when I have eft available.

The only major critique I'd offer is that you really don't need the grav cap rig. Use that slot for more tank or agility.

Edit: just noticed the Amplification Node. That isn't doing you any real good given that you're not active tanking. Adaptive Shielding will get you more EHP.

My fit looked (looks, I suppose; I'd take it back out) like this:

[Loki, space tourist]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cargo Scanner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

You could make an argument for a salvager. I'm pretty ambivalent.

The rigs aren't entirely cheap, of course. But the whole ship paid for itself just running around null for two days.

Edit 2: Riffing on your fit concept, you could do this:

[Loki, space tourist agility neuts]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cargo Scanner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

47.8k EHP with the DC active. Very tight on grid. More neut power, including the small which might just get you out. Aligns in under 6 seconds with the MWD burning, which isn't too bad considering how awful the Interdiciton Nullifier is to agility.
Drex Windborne
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-13 16:07:57 UTC
Thanks for the reply Zhilia.

I don't know why I'm stuck on the neuts. Maybe it's because they'd be incredibly frustrating to an aggressor if it all works as planned, and it would be immensely satisfying to cause some sort of reverse tears potentially.

I toyed with PYFA a bit more and came up with this:

Low Kee:

Highs:
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Dual 180MM Scout Autocannon
Dual 180MM Scout Autocannon
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Meds:
Experimental 10 MN MWD
Data Analyzer II
Relic Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner I
LSE II
LSE II

Lows:
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
WCS I
DC II

Rigs:
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Subs:
Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

I'm not at my machine, but the relevant PYFA Stats were:
~41k EHP / ~48K with DCII (I can't recall the exact resists)
Neuts 29 cap/s, 346 cap/volley 12s
A whopping 48 dps with my current skills and RF EMP

It's a bit of a mishmash of your two fits, and I'm not sure if the AC's bring anything to the table in reality (can't currently fit anything larger without PG issues). How did you manage to catch yourself another explorer without any tackle? I'm guessing luck + alpha, unless there's some other trick. I also feel like in a Loki, even if someone's already running a site, they're probably going to be scared off whether I actually pose a threat to them or not. My only other concern would potentially be drones, but again, without any tackle of my own, the AC's may not help anyway.

I suppose what it boils down to is that without the guns I've got a couple open high's. A third / fourth neut seems like overkill, as anything that I need to neut that much probably won't lock me before I get away (I could be wrong, but that seems like a very niche setup), and the Salvager was just there previously because I had an open high before. Are there any highslot items you can think of that would synergize with a 'You can't catch me, and even if you do I'm slippery' fit?

In any case, thank you very much for your input. I'm definitely headed back to empire to pick up the proper defensive subsystem, even if I'm unsure of what's going to fill those highs.

.Drex
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-08-13 17:42:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Drex Windborne wrote:
How did you manage to catch yourself another explorer without any tackle? I'm guessing luck + alpha, unless there's some other trick.


Catch them while hacking. It can take a second to react and realize someone is targeting you. Since most covops frigs aren't tanked at all it really isn't that hard.

(Hidden lesson to anyone else reading this: tank your covops. Just a bit.)

Drex Windborne wrote:
My only other concern would potentially be drones, but again, without any tackle of my own, the AC's may not help anyway.

I suppose what it boils down to is that without the guns I've got a couple open high's. A third / fourth neut seems like overkill, as anything that I need to neut that much probably won't lock me before I get away (I could be wrong, but that seems like a very niche setup), and the Salvager was just there previously because I had an open high before. Are there any highslot items you can think of that would synergize with a 'You can't catch me, and even if you do I'm slippery' fit?


The only thing I can think of would be to wedge on a smartbomb. It would fit if you downgraded to meta 4 LSEs.

As a general note, do be somewhat cautious about blooming your signature. Between the two extenders and two shield rigs you're looking at a 20% larger sig than a single extender/single shield rig fit. It's not a huge deal, but it will help people get locks on you. Oh, and don't forget your shield rigging skill here; it can make a somewhat significant difference.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not really recommending the smartbomb option. Mediums aren't that great for, well, just about anything and you'd only get a single one on there.