Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's ironic that you bring that up. See, while Harry's suggestion is for an all-destroying super-weapon in game, the Goons have already shown that they are actually willing to deconstruct useful things outside of the game in order to secure victory playing internet spaceships. They have systematically attacked people's sense of self-esteem and identity, their sense of fair play, their notions of friendship and trust, their understanding of the game, and have even manipulated the physical hardware that the game is played on. I consider those to be exactly the actions of a nihilist.

Taken in that context, Harry's request for a "mini-nuke" is actually quite benign and reasonable. Harry probably has some ideas about how games are supposed to work such that something crazy like acquiring your IP and DoSing you at an important point in time is what he would call "cheating", or disbanding your alliance, or harrassing you with alts, or moving all your stuff around with alts so it was effectively untouchable, or . . . attempting to influence the developers to institute changes that went against good game design for the sake of giving your group an advantage. THESE are nihilistic "mini-nukes". Harry's just asking to do more damage, because his Catalyst is no match for the EHP of Mittanigrad.



I assume you mean "space bad". A lot of people have spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince everyone that there is no such thing as good and evil in EVE Online, because it is "only a game". Are you disagreeing with them?

Oh, hey, look! The ideas of "good and evil" are two more things the Goons have systematically tried to destroy for the sake of WINNING!


This "glaringly ridiculous" idea actually made it into the game as the original doomsday weapon. I take it you weren't a fan.

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Bad in a way of "you will be shot for it", nobody likes being shot. Even for perfectly legitimate business reasons. The most commonly understood sort of "bad" around here.

I actually don't recall them going as far as manipulating anything or conducting attacks on servers. Propaganda and name-calling was always out there, so were spies - the truth is, if you try to be a honourable space-empire and refuse to utilize those 'underhanded' tactics better brace yourself for everyone else using them against you.

We've all been trolled by harry. No way someone is really this stupid. Well done sir.

Obviously, it was removed because people complained that it somehow imbalanced the game. The question is whether or not it actually did.



I have highlighted the likely points of contention in your (very assertive) statement. There are probably too many to get into here in this "We need mini-nukes . . ." thread. I will admit that I do feel quite powerless at times, but I am happy to say that it hasn't yet driven me to the point that I'm willing to burn my house down to win a game of checkers.

How does this analogy not reinforce my perception of your mental state?

I am now terrified of ordering in Pizza, in case it comes with an angry bee fleet attached.

Ordering a puzza to your place is the lazy variant of this. And the delivery time is very approximate. We think about dispatching our closest gsf member to your house instead.

Oh, no! Their precious feelings!

Seriously, no one cares. So Goons are insular, and have a "screw everyone else" attitude. Why does that upset you so much? It's not like there's any game mechanic that prevents you from making friends.

So some bad players got called bad. Boo hoo. If you actually understand the reasonable expectation that adults play this game, you'll see how ridiculous it is to act like making fun of someone is equivalent to basically torpedo-ing the entirety of the game's ship and weapon balancing. Oh, and the proposal to ruin the game is just because a few terribads are upset that they can't win against superior numbers, better organization, and more intelligent gameplay with their special snowflakeness.

The sooner you start to realize what kinds of people to ignore, which kind to laugh at, and which kinds to take seriously in EVE, the better off you will be for it.





Look at that, would you? Do you even realize you put them both in the same paragraph? The hypocrisy almost hurts to read.

Accusing someone of trying to influence the developers to give their group and advantage, while in the same breath defending far more blatantly selfish and self interested cries for overpowered weaponry.

This is why people laugh at carebears and whiners. Because they can't even argue without looking like imbeciles. Because they prove just by asking for something that they don't deserve it. But most of all, because at their very core, they are hypocrites who want to be special snowflakes with special powers no one else gets. Selfish children, nothing more.

And you're surprised and angry when people treat you like children? Doesn't surprise me at all.

No, they don't. It's delusional to think so.

Anything an empowered and commited individual can do, a hundred can do better. And if you want to have there be some method whereby only the one person gets this power, and not the hundred, well, you can't. That's blatantly wrong.


It could be. But then again, it *could* be true that aliens assassinated JFK.

Or, and I sincerely hope this possibility has not eluded you, it might just be a bad idea.

So, massive conspiracy theory that involves dedicating players specifically to the forums to keep down ideas, or... just plain bad idea. Which is more likely, to you?