EVE General Discussion

Thanks for that well-reasoned retort.

So far, reasoning with you has been a futile effort, as far as I can tell. Not to mention all you've done so far is call people pedos and furries for wanting CCP to expand on the EVE Universe (which yes, is so much more than spaceships).

This is not completely wrong. Personally I got into eve after reading about the GHSC (Guiding Hand Social Club) infiltration and Heist. That wasn't a nullsec thing iirc.

But let's look at that from another perspective:

- as time goes by and technology becomes better and cheaper, other companies will catch up in terms of MASSIVELY multiplayer online games. We see this happen with Planetside 2 running circles around DUST514.
So, how long will the huge battles argument pull new players ?

New players also face the feeling that (even though unjustified) they can't compete with other players in EVE. Their arguments would be:
- EVE has been around for 10 years, how will I ever catch up ?
- Thousands of players in one alliance ... my corp will never be able to compete with that.
For CCP to be able to say: "Hey we added a whole new layer to the game that is not restricted to huge alliances" would make EVE a little bit more inviting. Similar to what faction warfare or wormholes did.

New MMOs and Space MMOs / Space games are cropping up left and right and borrowing ideas from some of the best games, including EVE. We may know that EVE is better in many ways. Do new players know that ? Just take a look at two things:

What features those new games either have or advertise, and also what new players complain about in the new players Q&A or in GD.
- X rebirth and Star Citizen both have stations you can walk through.
- Both games have a 3D cockpit and game-pad steering (Not that I would want that, but it's a regular complaint seen on the forum.)
- Seamless space to planet flight as featured in Evochron mercenaries, Elite: final frontier .... EVE once had an atmospheric flight demo to showcase (got shelved)

Yeah, EVE still beats those games ... but for how long, if we stall development. Don't get me wrong, I want to see modular POS and "fixing nullsec". I want "fixing low-sec" even more than that, but one day we'll have WIS.

FPS games evolved from the likes of Operation Wolf to become broader in scope as demonstrated by Battlefield 4.

In the past developers created tank sims, infantry combat, jet combat, helicopter combat and submarine games individually. Sometimes they even used the same engine for all of this (Novalogic's Comanche, Armored Fist, F-22 Raptor, Delta Force). Battlefield1942 was among the first to combine such games into one solid experience.

EVE set out to create a seamless dark universe. Old players remember the "drawing board" section on the EVE homepage. We're keeping CCP to that promise for the benefit of both old and new players. We're not uncompromising like the Jita protesters. We do have patience, but we also want to make it clear what we stand for.

People who think EVE should be limited to what it is now, just with 3X, 5X, 10X as many ships to choose from are putting quantity over quality more than the ones who stand for a WIS someday in the future.

The reason you're frustrated is that you are completely wrong but continue to argue your points as if you're not. Try not being so wrong and you won't suffer from that sinking futility.

No one cares about WiS, move on.

Yea, that does seem to be the extent of his argument.

I mean, there are actually some good arguments he could have used. But so far I haven't seen him use any of them. Someone called him a pigeon which I thought was spot on really.

Honestly WiS is allready almost complete, the stuff we have in the Captain's Quarters, the DUST 514 lobby ... all that is there and my bet is that it would not cause massive *issues* to lay for 10 years to explore a new dimension for the Eve Universe so to speak.

The very fact that you are posting in this thread at all signifies that _some_ people do like the prospect of doing _stuff_ in character, for example market browsing, or trading between people in station.

Combine this with the fact that the Dust code is live on tranquility and suddenly this WiS thing does not seem so ridiculously time consuming for CCP.

Fact of the matter is, people are psychologically attracted to things they can relate with, WiS generates a model of the human body to run around with and immerse a little further into the game. If done correctly (and not with a horrible expensive ingame shop) this could even by itself get more people into the game.

This stuff is actually about future subscribers, and the demography of the Eve Online player base (which is horribly lopsided to the testosterone variation). if CCP wants to expand their player base to include a more variety of players (good for long term existence of CCP) they need to get the attention of other people than us. You know, the already invested and content players.

And they have to do that because we are a bunch of unloyal idiots when it comes to games, when Call of -look Quake3 engine- Shooty McShooty 49 comes out suddenly 30% of the players (unloyal scrubs) let their subscription lapse for 3 months and start playing that.

CCP is still a company that will need income far further into the future than your subscription will run for.

So basically it's your fault, and you should feel bad.

I'm going to have to quote another post I wrote here

Or, connect to EVE and go do your thing and to hell with what other people are up to.

I don't mission run. The existence of mission running is not some source of great torment for me. It's not like *ADDING* a feature means we have to lose a feature at the same time, unless you count "takes up as little space as possible on my hard drive" as a feature.

This is very true. EVE has to continue to evolve, grow, improve, become a bigger, better game. I can imagine smuggling become an actual career and bounty hunting actually being a decent system, because you could break into others quarters/ambush them in stations.

Grow or die. While yes, EVE won't die, but it won't grow either. Eventually a bigger, better space MMO will come up with the features EVE doesn't have, and there we go, EVE just lost 20% of its playerbase. (exaggeration)