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george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-11 12:20:28 UTC
Ok, although I do a bit of trading I've never got involved with materials except for T2 production and buying advanced materials.

Whilst looking for some new areas to trade I noticed that the prices on materials had fallen significantly - not having built and T2 stuff for a bit this passed me by. Now I appreciate the Odyssey changes have clearly had an impact and the redistribution of moon resources - but was the 'cartel' on technetium the only thing that has led to the price collapse recently? I have noticed that some of the other materials have increased in price - presumably due to the time it takes to find the right resources an set up towers and supply chains.

Now (as is clear) I am no expert in this area just interested in what has happened and how that may play out. I am assuming that the market is too big and too expensive for an individual to manipulate (unlike other things) so any thoughts on this would be appreciated - and yes I did google but maybe I'm rubbish at that too P

thanks in advance
Vanchelon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-08-11 13:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanchelon
Hey!

TL;DR Ship prices spiked after odyssey due to new metas and low supply, then dipped down due to oversupply of non-meta materials leading to cheap mats (as people couldn't build too much due to lack of metas) and we're now having a spiking trend across most materials.

There are several factors in play here, I'll go through a few of em briefly. The breakup of the cartel had an impact, but more so did the changes to T2 components in Odyssey, which saw a fairly large reduction in use of nanotransistors. Less Nanos were needed to build ships and supply hadn't changed. Fullerides also saw a reduction in use for subcaps which also contributed to the falling Tech price.
Phenolic Composites pretty much doubled in price because the required amounts for subcaps and jumpfreighters increased by a lot.
As for the meta materials, supply was extremely slow in the beginning and demand was enormous, so people with access to the raw materials made a crapton of money. Now the prices went down to 9-11k for most of them, but have recently seen spike in all of them excelt Terahertz.

Sylramic fibers have spiked recently, I suspect it's due to production being cut as they were becoming quite cheap, but I don't have direct insight into the moon good production so I can't say for sure.

Now, Carbides are pretty interesting and are spiking all over the place... This is most likely due to speculation about he coming CFC Caldari Ice interdiction, as carbide prices are strongly affected by higher fuel prices. They were also extremely low for a while (mid 80s, low 90s) so could be that people stopped bothering for a while leading to a supply issue.

It would not surprise me at all if CFC have gobbled up a lot of carbides and are holding them back (They hold, for example, most of the tungsten moons in EVE), waiting for the price to go even higher.

There are also definitely individuals out there who with enough resources to manipulate the market in significant ways.

Hope it was enlightening and I welcome others to fill in the blanks or correct me if I was mistaken about something ;)
Sabre Rolf
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-08-11 23:10:16 UTC
Vanchelon wrote:

It would not surprise me at all if CFC have gobbled up a lot of carbides and are holding them back (They hold, for example, most of the tungsten moons in EVE), waiting for the price to go even higher.


Saying there is someone doing a R16 Cartel is flatout *not-smart* because its like gras growing all over new eden.
Vanchelon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-12 03:15:57 UTC
Sabre Rolf wrote:
Vanchelon wrote:

It would not surprise me at all if CFC have gobbled up a lot of carbides and are holding them back (They hold, for example, most of the tungsten moons in EVE), waiting for the price to go even higher.


Saying there is someone doing a R16 Cartel is flatout *not-smart* because its like gras growing all over new eden.


Not saying it's a regular cartel, just saying that since they are in the process of driving up fuel prices, it would make sense for them to hold back for a few weeks. Anyone who has a stockpile of carbides at the moment, and is keeping themselves up to date on current events, would.
I used tungsten as an example because: http://imgur.com/qWSTiuu
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-08-12 09:24:39 UTC
any idea as to why jump freighter prices arent responding yet?

i was thinking the low production hasn't quite caught up yet, but maybe i'm missing something
Vanchelon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-12 14:57:17 UTC
Setsune Rin wrote:
any idea as to why jump freighter prices arent responding yet?

i was thinking the low production hasn't quite caught up yet, but maybe i'm missing something


You mean to the increased costs in sylramics/carbides, or the meta materials?

JFs got away easy in that regard, it was profitable to build them even at a meta price of 15-18k, since the other materials, especially fullerides, were so cheap.

Build cost at the moment for ME -2 JFs range from 5.5 to 5.8b or so.
Post odyssey they were 5.1-5.4 or so for a while.