Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Look, you can Act all Day and Night the big reasonable player, but your Ideas like special Energy Weapon Cap saving skills or ammunition increase skills are completly biased, your facts or better the problems your think to See are completly wrong, Amarr does have some Cap problems, Amarr does have some Tracking Problems in specific ranges and yes the damage Lacks sometimes.

But hell give them a stupid Race specific Skill IS NOT the answer, adding meaningless Skills everywhere is Never the answer.

And if you cant handle this Fact go Troll elsewhere.

fozzie it looks like you kicked the hornets nest with wanting to take weapons off ships.
so please don't do that..
we get it, they are command ships and we can put 3 links on them now, that doesnt mean that we should be forced to have that many links if we dont need it. we should have the option to come up with fittings as needed.

i know if you take a launcher off my nighthawk, ill have 1 empty high slot...


lol look at me, its like im praying or something XD.
im just talking to the air with no one else in the room, hoping some-kinda divine force hears me and decides not to remove weapons from all the command ships.

The Missing Hardpoint is compensated by a bigger damage bonus.

So you have more spare PG/CPU, need less Ammo and if you don't want to fit a second link, you can fit a neut, or a nos.
FFS you could even fit an auto-targeter.

Don't complain because you have 1 less launcher, the ship will perform way better than before.

I stand corrected, I did put those in backwards.

Reworked the numbers:

Auto cannons - 9

Lasers - 8

Blasters - 11

i would realy like to keep the role as the role of a command ship is to provide boosts. also the leadership skills and cybernetics 5 is very skill intensive allready

Alright, I'll look.
I would like to believe I am quite reasonable yes, however I do not "act" as that would implicate me wanting or needing an audience, I am here to solve balance issues and not for looking good on the forums, I'd look much better if I didn't reply to you for instance, food for thought.





Again with the focus on me being "biased", "completely wrong", may I ask, to clarify, is it the fact that my suggestion is a skill that is the problem or is the problem the reduction of laser capacitor use?

Because as I recall the problem you had first in your original wise-ass post was in short to not add skills, then in the subsequent posts the issue was a reduction in capacitor use would "pervert the races" and ""destroy EvE"", now yet again you are saying specifically the skill part is "completely biased" as if introducing more skills to the game would overly benefit me alone.

Which is it?(rhetorical question, I place no real value in your opinions at this point)




I really don't understand what you're opposed to now, you say what I think about lasers is completely wrong yet you're definitely agreeing that lasers have quite a few apparent problems and especially noteworthy is the part of capacitor problems, which my suggestions are directly and exclusively aimed at.




I don't get where you're coming from when you say a "stupid" cap reduction skill would be "meaningless", it's not stupid nor is it meaningless; If you want to argue the pros/cons of having it as a skill or that the solution should rather focus to reduce cap use on the most demanding lasers baseline, I'd be willing to discuss that, if only I could get one post from you without an obvious attitude problem I would.


All your rambling this far has only resulted in a test on how often you can accuse me of being "completely wrong" and "biased" without strengthening your stance nor offering any kind of insight as to why, this isn't a political arena, personal posturing is what is stupid and meaningless and empty statements like "completely wrong" and "biased" are of null value.

You've agreed that lasers are indeed overly problematic, as has been my stance this entire time although I directly point at the capacitor use ship bonus and the high consumption of cap lasers consume, as it is in my opinion the most apparent problem.




You present few facts and those you present are only strengthening my stance, I now see you have fully turned the tables inside your own head, it is called projection, you have officially thrown rationality out of the window.

TL;DR

Progress. At last even the most vehement opposition directly agrees lasers have cap problems.

there's a chronic lack of attention to detail in this thread ... maybe fozzie is overworked, the alternative is he is being lazy or doesn't care enough.

You are makin this thread about weapon systems, not about the ships, you are talking about how lasers are bad nerfed buffed etc and not about how to make the ships good and balanced with the weapon system, it's one thing to go "oh lasers are bad and the abso will suffer in xyz way so change the 10% cap consumption to 7.5% cap consumption and tracking" or w.e
You are talking simply about the lasers-autos-hybrids

Edit: you as in you and the others, and if this came off as mean spirited sorry, it is not meant as such

If you think that our discussion was off-topic go check out the grammar war going on in the warfare links thread.

Its a public forum where grown ups get hot-n-bothered about spaceships like pre-teen boys who see what's on TV after mommy and daddy has gone to bed.

We are on page 60+ with Devs probably trying to find shelter (somewhere halfway through) from the deluge of critique that has pelted this thread, CC's are a about as big a deal as it can get as they are being set up to reclaim the link crown and links are going to be joining the melee .. and .. we have been promised that they would all have teeth should the player choose to bare them.

Balance stickies are historically derailed around page 50 when people run out of 100% on topic feedback and just sort of drift away, we know the Devs are monitoring them so they are WMD's in the war to get heard. All my 100% OT was concluded in the first fifteen pages or so, with some good ideas/arguments involved if I dare say so myself