EVE General Discussion

1. CCP designating particular channels to be scam-free-zones is a bad thing, yes. I will quote my corpmate from the other thread:



If people claim that the effect is minimal because 'you can still recruitment scam people out of local, or set up your own recruitment channel' then those people have totally missed the point. Given the choice between a CCP-approved 'no scamming allowed' channel and other venues where they are open to scams, every player looking for a new corp will choose the safe option. There won't be anyone looking for a new corp in local, or in an unofficial channel, because CCP has provided a recruitment channel which caters to all their needs and is a guaranteed safe haven from scamming. Remember, risk versus reward: why would a player looking for a new corp choose the unsafe option when it provides no advantage? And why would a corp legitimately seeking out new players advertise in an unsafe channel rather than the CCP-approved no scamming zone?

The equivalent would be if CCP designated a particular highsec ice system in each empire's space to be a CCP-approved miner-only zone where suicide ganking, can flipping, and other methods of interdiction are banned and all dead hulks are reimbursed by GMs. After all, if we don't like the new rules we could always go and gank miners somewhere else! The result, of course, would be that every ice miner flocked to the safe systems to do their mining in complete safety, and all other ice belts where ganking was permitted would be deserted.

2. My understanding is that allowing the character bazaar to scam in would be unworkable because CCP charges a real-money fee for transfers, thus opening a hilarious can of worms since scamming somebody out of pretend spacebucks in a pretend space game is somewhat different from taking 20 dollars/euros (if that's still the fee?) from them in real life with the associated legal implications that would follow.

Can baiting etc in the newbie systems is, again, different to recruitment scamming since it deliberately targets new, inexperienced players who are unfamiliar with fairly basic game mechanics. Recruitment scamming rarely targets new, inexperienced players since they don't have significant assets to make the scam worthwhile (a recruitment scam often involves lengthy, time-consuming conversations that make them not worth pulling just for a few million isk and some T1 cruisers). I can say on the occasions where our members have recruitment scammed newbies they've generally been yelled at and mocked in our chat channels.

CCP desperately want Pay To Win and Barbie Doll Vampires. I know you think they recanted because they said they did, but perhaps you didn't pay attention to Hilmar's actual words. He desperately sees that as Eve's future.

YOU PESKY CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING IN THE WAY.

Since you rejected his vision for Eve, then it's clear to him that the first thing that needs changing is you lot.

Back to chipping away at the current customers to replace them with children that like shiney baubles.

Personally I like this change, it's one more step towards flying mounts, battlegrounds and the sword of a thousand truths.

this makes no sense to me.
"if given the choice" indicates a knowledge of the fact that scamming happens in EVE, in which case a scam-free channel is a moot point since the entire idea of a scam free channel is to protect those who don't know any better.

someone aware enough of scams to choose a scam free channel is not going to be the best target for a scam if you know what I mean.

its not like someone is waving a banner around that says "come to this channel, for completely safe happy fun time"
but a stoopid n00b will most likely manage to find the recruitment channel just because its the recruitment channel and not have any idea that the place is a scam free zone anyway.

The Sanbox needs 2x8s to keep all the sand in.

So basically, if I ever visit the recruitment channel, I can forever petition to have any recruitment scams reversed, because I can just claim that the scammers used it to know that I wanted a corp?

I understand CCP wants to make more money by softening the emo rage going on in eve online right now, but I think they are seriously hurting the game by thinking this way.

The fact that eve is so real, in a social sense, is what makes it fantastic. Not only do your skills learned ingame matter, but your social skills RL as well. This makes this game much more difficult to play and a hell of alot more enjoyable and mature then any other MMO to date. If CCP continues to try and find a way to appeal to a bigger audience I fear that the original audience will not be happy and the game will suffer because of it.

The fact is, it is only a game after all. So let them 10 year olds emo rage when they get scammed. Most other games 10 year olds spank us older players (jobless little twerps with nothing to do but master exploits), but in EVE older players have the advantage becaue RL experience can make a difference. Don't take that away from us.

Haven't you heard? CCP are nerfing all aspects of highsec combat in order to make it a 100% safe utopia. It's all part of the plan to nab all of the people who have been quitting WOW.