These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

walk in stations

First post
Author
Stitcher
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#101 - 2013-08-09 14:50:09 UTC
I'm amazed that it's as low as 56%.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Dimaloun Vyreen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2013-08-09 15:00:28 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I'm amazed that it's as low as 56%.


I'm not. With the condition of the economy, I'm surprised it isn't lower.

There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-"

Stitcher
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#103 - 2013-08-09 15:04:00 UTC
the XBOX 360, PS3 and Wii all pre-date the global economic downturn.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Dimaloun Vyreen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-08-09 15:29:30 UTC
New consoles don't. Neither does the new iphone, new pcs, new anything.

There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-"

Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-08-09 15:32:16 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We are more interested in spaceships in this internet spaceship game.


My sub expires tomorrow (after I reactivated it to check "expansion") - that's how excited I am about spaceship game. Yet decent WiS functionality (MassEffect2-style combat in anomalies and in POSes) could make me re-subscribe easily - instead of playing APB: Reloaded for example.


Yea you obviously don't want something worthwhile in a game while as your actual avatar cause to mention APB is absurd.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-08-09 15:39:26 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
You keep saying "autistic" like it's an insult, as opposed to a diagnosis. Which is nonsense. It's like trying to insult a community by saying "most WoW players have generally had a Basal Cell Carcinoma".

Even if that were true, how is it insulting? And where exactly are you getting this information anyway? I'm pretty sure you don't have access to all our medical records.

After four Fanfests and I-forget-how-many player meetups, and pushing eight years of just hanging out on TS or whatever, the conclusion I draw is that EVE players are a varied, generally friendly, generally well-adjusted group of individuals from a variety of walks of life. I'm sure that our community includes persons who are on the autistic spectrum. I have no idea whether that percentage is greater or lesser than that found in, say, Battlefield, CoD, LoL, DotA, WoT or.... I don't know, Barbie Horse Adventures. But I certainly don't think it's "most" or "a majority".

Pulling statistics out of your arse, leaping to logically inept conclusions and then acting all smug when somebody says "smells like bull chit to me" doesn't make you King of the Internet, dude.


Actually, it does make me the King of the interwebs.

Any argument you post against that beyond this point is invalid.

My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.

There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth.

Arduemont
The State of War.
#107 - 2013-08-09 17:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Mycool Jahksn wrote:

If you even cared about reading that article you'd know that 43% of people with autism have a game console at home, computers are probably included in that.

Knowing that, your picture is incorrect.


Sorry, you made a serious flaw in your logic here that I just had to point out. It's a pet hate of mine that remains from my days studying research science.

43% of people with autism have a game console; tells us literally nothing about the rates of autism in people playing computer games. The statistic I believe your looking for is the number of people who have a games console that have autism...

I could use the same logic as you and say "90% of people with autism had the MMR vaccination". That may be true, but that has no reflection on the rate of autism in people who are vaccinated. Or better yet "100% of people with cancer have eaten food", tells us nothing about the rates of cancer in all the people who eat food.

The following are two completely different statements.

43% of people playing computer games are autistic.
43% of autistic people play computer games.


Both the above statements have very little relation to each other statistically. The second (according to your questionable reference) is true (at least within the study group), the first is make belief, pulled out of thin air and based on no evidence.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#108 - 2013-08-09 17:23:36 UTC
Ivy greene wrote:
I'd appreciate more constructive criticism on how WiS could be more appealing to the general masses please.

Also, try to at least provide sources on claims such as "this game is dying" and etc...

Thanks Blink


The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Barbies in Space.
Arduemont
The State of War.
#109 - 2013-08-09 17:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
jujumagumboo wrote:

The "general masses" already told CCP what they want. It's not Micro-transactions or Greed-is-Good newsletters or not delivering on their promises.


We already covered this. Pretending your as stupid as you look doesn't help your argument. Also, fixed that for you.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Shedemei Silfar
Miskatonic Mercantile
#110 - 2013-08-09 17:51:04 UTC
Oh come on, WiS could be fun, it doesn't have to be just barbies in space. I for one would enjoy corp meetings in a space pub.

And besides, think of the great new forum threads we'll see... like:

"Dear CCP - please nerf Caldari B00bies - I lost billions AFK salvaging cuz they are too powerful."

"Dear CCP - can you please add gender neutral restrooms to stations so that my drag queen pilot can pretend pee in a prejudice free environment?"


Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#111 - 2013-08-09 18:16:38 UTC
Solhild wrote:
Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?


They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.

You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.

Its not that Eve is full of autistic players opposed to change, its that Eve players are afraid of women, who would be attracted to the game if WiS was implemented.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Dimaloun Vyreen
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-08-09 18:43:11 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Solhild wrote:
Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?


They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.

You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.



I can imagine smuggling become a viable career path if it was implemented alongside WiS and was done properly. Then there would be a real black market.

There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-"

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-08-09 20:20:30 UTC
...hears that Eve players don't want Barbies in Space, then looks at all the work that goes into forum pics...leaves confused.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2013-08-09 23:19:54 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Solhild wrote:
Something tells me WIS would be great, but what would we actually do that wouldn't be pointless crap?


They were supposed to fix drugs and make smuggling part of the game with WiS.

You know, so piracy would be piracy instead of whining on the forums that blo sec doesn't have enough targets.

Its not that Eve is full of autistic players opposed to change, its that Eve players are afraid of women, who would be attracted to the game if WiS was implemented.

this thank you

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

BearUkraine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2013-08-09 23:43:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BearUkraine
CCP, please open the door.
Start to make features step by step, from expansion to expansion, but make a 1st step - open the door. It is the great extension of the game which we love.

Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique.
Im playing 4 years and to be honest it is already boring to see, from expansion to expansion how everything spinning around ships and boring to see how ppl starting their blabla "give me this, give me that, we do not want anything new", just with one argument - this game is about spaceships. This is Bull ****.
Lets open main page of EVE - www.eveonline.com and what can we see there? - "EVE Online is a Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Space Game - EVE Online" - this is SPACE Game, nothing said about "spaceships", NOTHING .
So, ppl who have any problems, leave your problems with you and let and support other people to get the same fun as you have already with your "spaceships". Stop being selfish.

More: There are already characters with 150kk+ SP. Characters know everything what their owners want. What the next? Soon (tm) it will be realy boring to play eve without anything radically new.

So sad to see this picture.
Ilia Tresnor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-08-10 02:39:25 UTC
From the outside, it seems as if the main problem with a full WiS implementation, other than whiners, is how the engine is very resource intensive. It still warms my GPU just sitting on the couch. That definitely needs work before they open the door.

As to WiS lagging trade hubs, if they do it right surely WiS in a system could run on separate hardware in the cluster from FiS in the same system. Docking and undocking would transfer you between the two.
Within a station, different areas and establishments could be segregated on different hardware as required, with limits on the number of characters who can enter an area at one time (space bouncers, anyone?). Limits could be raised as the software and hardware improve. On the client side they could degrade graphics quality if the hardware is overtaxed, or drop the frame rate.

There are various ways in-station PvP could be implemented, if it were. For example, the allowable level of violence could change with the system security level, so you're very safe in 1.0, but you can be shived anywhere at any time in 0.0, with a sliding scale in between.
Or every station could have heavily-policed areas where characters are safe from anything more than a slap in the face, but you also can't do any shady business without getting arrested. Seedier areas would allow characters to do anything from trade in illicit goods to murder one another. You can call security and the paramedics - they may arrive before you bleed out, or they may not. Depends if they've been paid off, or if there's a fresh batch of donuts at the local ISKy Kreme franchise.
Security within your CQ and hangar could depend on being in an NPC or player corp, system security level, how much you're willing to pay for it, etc.
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#117 - 2013-08-10 02:54:12 UTC
BearUkraine wrote:
Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique.


You're surprised that a company that lives and dies by the number of people who pay it a subscription fee every month prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers? Really?
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-08-10 03:00:27 UTC
BearUkraine wrote:
Lets open main page of EVE - www.eveonline.com and what can we see there? - "EVE Online is a Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Space Game - EVE Online" - this is SPACE Game, nothing said about "spaceships", NOTHING .

I want to remove Heth from power and put myself in charge of the Caldari empire and its powerful navy...

Make it so CCP so I can rule since it should be part of this "space" game.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-08-10 05:21:59 UTC
Eraza wrote:
... as an analogy, think of cars, some people design cars, OTHER people maintain cars.
noone stops designing new cars because engines need oil changed :)


Something tells me they have a small operation over at CCP, though... What?

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.

BearUkraine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-08-10 09:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: BearUkraine
jujumagumboo wrote:
BearUkraine wrote:
Im waiting for WIS the last 3 years and I am dissapointed that the money in our world has a priority (unsubscriptions and protest in Jita), instead of ideas and desires to do something new, special and unique.


You're surprised that a company that lives and dies by the number of people who pay it a subscription fee every month prioritizes what the vast majority of its paying customers want instead of the tiny population of disgusting roleplayers? Really?

I agree that you are right, unfortunately this is true and this is sad, but lets look from another side - do you realy think that WIS cant attract new people to eve in order to (at least) compensate decreasing of subscriptions of those who does not want to see WIS? I dont think so.

Every expansion I see that someone does not like something and let me focus your attention that it still spinning around a ships (eve is a game about spaceships,as some pilots think). And what? Lets stop playing ships, because someone does not like something? Stupid, isnt it? and due to this stupid position of some players and their bla bla bla we cant get great extention of the game? Where is the logic? so lets start to say that eve community is sick in the head!

To be honest this situation looks like we are in a kindergarten, where around us we have tears and snots.