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Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#1 - 2013-08-09 03:35:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarstorm95
Is anyone else tired if needing a tengu to run escalations in null? It seems to be the ONLY ship that can do it. Can we add some variety into the mix? Not this "train a tengu and win eve"?

I thought the point of eve was to have options? Sure some ships may be able handle some escalations but chances are u gata swap to a tengu at one point or another.

A ishtar MIGHT be able to run em but i haven't tried it just yet,

None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".


I doubt anything i say will help but i feel either the t3s need to be brought up to match the tengu or the tengu needs to be lowered below a "win eve" status


(This topic took a tangent)

Any options besides a tengu?

“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.” ― Robert A. Heinlein "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." ― Confucius 
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-08-09 06:10:02 UTC
T3 rebalancing coming soon, then the Tengu should suck just as much as the other T3's

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Christopher Multsanti
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-08-09 08:10:47 UTC
1. Caldari ships have always been PVE ships. Like for Ever.
2. CCP doesn't really care about PVE balancing.
3. Legion works pretty well in Stain and delve. So GTFO?

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2013-08-09 08:26:13 UTC
Sentry proteus is pretty good for non w-space PVE.
Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#5 - 2013-08-09 08:58:34 UTC
I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#6 - 2013-08-09 09:14:04 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion
Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#7 - 2013-08-09 09:32:33 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion


Apologies - I have no trouble in angel space with a RS.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#8 - 2013-08-09 09:52:22 UTC
MJD battleships can also do some higher class escalation solo

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-08-09 10:19:45 UTC
Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus.

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Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#10 - 2013-08-09 10:55:37 UTC
Ishtar ...

Roime wrote:
Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus.


Link please. Google won't show it to me and I don't know enough to do a detailed search.
Pixie Pearl
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-09 10:59:42 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Ishtar ...

Roime wrote:
Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus.


Link please. Google won't show it to me and I don't know enough to do a detailed search.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1935802
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-08-09 12:28:59 UTC
nahjustwarpin wrote:
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


Like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion

Not true at all. I live in Tribute for 2 years and though I did use a tengu a lot, i experimented with other ships. I complete the MAZE with a rattlesnake even back when the Citadel Torp in the last room as EM instead of Kinetic. SOLO by the way (it was easier because of no npcs switching targets) with a fully passive fit.



As for the OP, I've also don't the maze with a shield Loki (solo), the rattlesnake, a logi + abandon (before the AI change) and logi plus Rokh, double remote rep Dominixes (after the AI switch, using an auto targeting system so I could lock up targets and my sentry drones to rep and a basilisk+nightmare combo (both before and after the AI change).

If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2013-08-09 13:15:10 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:


None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".


Never heard of loki fleet? Or seen proteus in an ahac fleet? Seen the changes they're making to rails with 1.1? How about legions in ahac fleets?

Sorry but this game isn't balanced around jewing.

And the T3s are in for serious nerfing soonTM, with particular regards to their stupidly large tanks.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-09 13:28:08 UTC
One of the best ships to run null escalations is a sniper Dominix with mjd.
Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#15 - 2013-08-09 15:05:31 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Lunarstorm95 wrote:


None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".


Never heard of loki fleet? Or seen proteus in an ahac fleet? Seen the changes they're making to rails with 1.1? How about legions in ahac fleets?

Sorry but this game isn't balanced around jewing.

And the T3s are in for serious nerfing soonTM, with particular regards to their stupidly large tanks.



U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.

As for some one else said i dont see how a proteus is even somewhat viable? And ppl are talking about a rattlesnake, hmm i could see that in some regions of space.

Any other ideas?

“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.” ― Robert A. Heinlein "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." ― Confucius 
Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2013-08-09 15:07:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.





Thats why im asking here

It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu.

Preferably serpentist

“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.” ― Robert A. Heinlein "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." ― Confucius 
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2013-08-09 15:42:50 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:


U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.


Your point is wrong. Loki fleet is quite viable and was used against Test by PL I believe in 1-SMEB recently. Goons have it as an option as well.

Also legion ahacs and proteus sprinkled within (nobody shoots cruisers with 200+k EHP).

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, is what I'm saying.
Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#18 - 2013-08-09 15:48:22 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Lunarstorm95 wrote:


U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.


Your point is wrong. Loki fleet is quite viable and was used against Test by PL I believe in 1-SMEB recently. Goons have it as an option as well.

Also legion ahacs and proteus sprinkled within (nobody shoots cruisers with 200+k EHP).

So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, is what I'm saying.



I know what im talking about i think ur just missing what point im making.

(okay so i MAY be wrong about large fleet pvp. But solo and all pve the tengu is still a "win all")

Back to the point of topic tho


Can a rattle snake do serpentist escalations? I have a corpie telling me it has to big of a sig and will die?

What other options are their i see tengu and possible ishtar?

“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.” ― Robert A. Heinlein "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." ― Confucius 
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-08-09 15:51:00 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.





Thats why im asking here

It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu.

Preferably serpentist


Your original post was horrible. It's hard to see what you were saying. Tengu needs a nerf, other T3s need a boost. "is anyone else tired of neeing a tengu" etc etc.

If you want to ask a question ask it and leave all the other stuff out. That way you will get a more clear and concise answer.

The ships for serpentis DEDs and suchare pretty much the same as for guristas. My favorites (alone or in combinations), Tengu, loki, rattlesnake, Mach, Any Raven hull (like raven, cnr, golem), Vindicator, Domi, Khronos, Vargur, Navy Mega and so on.

Nowadays, just for simple ratting and anoms, the regular raven, typhoon and Domi are kick ass isk makers.
Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#20 - 2013-08-09 15:55:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
nahjustwarpin wrote:
[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.


If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.





Thats why im asking here

It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu.

Preferably serpentist


Your original post was horrible. It's hard to see what you were saying. Tengu needs a nerf, other T3s need a boost. "is anyone else tired of neeing a tengu" etc etc.

If you want to ask a question ask it and leave all the other stuff out. That way you will get a more clear and concise answer.

The ships for serpentis DEDs and suchare pretty much the same as for guristas. My favorites (alone or in combinations), Tengu, loki, rattlesnake, Mach, Any Raven hull (like raven, cnr, golem), Vindicator, Domi, Khronos, Vargur, Navy Mega and so on.

Nowadays, just for simple ratting and anoms, the regular raven, typhoon and Domi are kick ass isk makers.


Yeah i admitted in a few posts up that it was biased and a bit off topic from what i hoped lol

Im being told by corpies that big ships cant handle escalations (like staging points and fortress') because of sig radius?

Also im surprised u put vindi on that list? If were talking about same sites i wouldnt think a vindi would even be slightly viable

“You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.” ― Robert A. Heinlein "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." ― Confucius 
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