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Fitting Tool that uses certificates?
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Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1 - 2013-08-09 03:48:01 UTC
Anyone know of a ship fitting tool that uses the Eve certificates to see performance instead of the All 5s, API import, or All 0s. that are in several tools?

Ideally, I'd be able to choose a couple certs, like Standard Logistics Chief and Standard Core Capacitor, and see what the fit looks like at those skill levels.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-08-09 05:30:09 UTC
No cus certificates are useless. You can make custom characters in eft by manually selecting the skills though.

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Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-09 05:47:41 UTC
API, use it, its simple.
Or you can Just use V skills and lower the skills for your liking.
Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2013-08-09 13:45:29 UTC
Thanks. I know how to use the API for my own characters.

What I am looking to do is be able to design fittings that work with specific certifications, so we can tell new players to train for specific certs and know they will be able to fly the ships & fittings.

Using my own API, or the All 5 choice, doesn't help with that.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-09 13:53:41 UTC
Dunk Dinkle wrote:
Thanks. I know how to use the API for my own characters.

What I am looking to do is be able to design fittings that work with specific certifications, so we can tell new players to train for specific certs and know they will be able to fly the ships & fittings.

Using my own API, or the All 5 choice, doesn't help with that.




EveHQ allows you to manually set skills up or down, pretty sure that EFT does as well (though I haven't used it in years)

You could just manually set a dummy toon to work with the required skills for X cert in EveHQ, but to my knowlege there is no fiter that works on certs.
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#6 - 2013-08-09 14:11:48 UTC
Dunk Dinkle wrote:
What I am looking to do is be able to design fittings that work with specific certifications, so we can tell new players to train for specific certs and know they will be able to fly the ships & fittings.


I'll give you a hint: don't tell new players to train for certificates. They will waste their training time on skills that aren't a priority for new players.

Make an EVEMon skill plan with the essentials and share that with you new players.
stoicfaux
#7 - 2013-08-09 14:20:52 UTC
This may help. It's a bit awkward though. EveMon lets you create "blank" characters. It also lets you export characters to EFT: File -> Export, save as type = CHR format (EFT). However, you'll probably want to export from a Skill Plan instead (Export -> After Plan Character -> ...)

The process would be:
Create a "blank" char in EveMon. Select the ship and equipment you want to use and and "add all to skill plan". Tweak the skills to the desired levels. With the skill plan still open, Export -> After Plan Character ..., and Export the char to EFT. Load it into EFT and see if it matches your specs.


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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-09 14:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
stoicfaux wrote:
This may help. It's a bit awkward though. EveMon lets you create "blank" characters. It also lets you export characters to EFT: File -> Export, save as type = CHR format (EFT). However, you'll probably want to export from a Skill Plan instead (Export -> After Plan Character -> ...)

The process would be:
Create a "blank" char in EveMon. Select the ship and equipment you want to use and and "add all to skill plan". Tweak the skills to the desired levels. With the skill plan still open, Export -> After Plan Character ..., and Export the char to EFT. Load it into EFT and see if it matches your specs.





You can do both with EveHQ

If you have your new guys send you an API with the character and training queue you can do it on a case by case. Or just makes an untrained character in a blank slot and putz with the skills from there.
Jani Padecain
Panama Investment Bank
#9 - 2013-08-09 14:46:09 UTC
In EVEmon there is some odd section what has something to do with the certificates. But the way I like to use this that software is to combine it with EFT.

It´s possible to pull ship fits into EVEmon and convert it into skillpan. Ones this is done, you go and find right setup of fitting skills to get it work properly and manually add those on the bottom of the list.

Ones it is done, you add the skillplan on your main toon and vola.you have the missing skills and time how long it will take to train those..

Sounds little complicated but ones you get the hold of it it takes less than 5mins to do this. If you have the fit ready.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-09 14:47:49 UTC
Jani Padecain wrote:
In EVEmon there is some odd section what has something to do with the certificates. But the way I like to use this that software is to combine it with EFT.

It´s possible to pull ship fits into EVEmon and convert it into skillpan. Ones this is done, you go and find right setup of fitting skills to get it work properly and manually add those on the bottom of the list.

Ones it is done, you add the skillplan on your main toon and vola.you have the missing skills and time how long it will take to train those..

Sounds little complicated but ones you get the hold of it it takes less than 5mins to do this. If you have the fit ready.



Like I said, one button in EveHQ, you can set the skills in the fitter and make a queue in the skill planner, no import exporting required.

It also has evemon and EFT import export ability.
Jani Padecain
Panama Investment Bank
#11 - 2013-08-09 14:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jani Padecain
Onictus wrote:
Jani Padecain wrote:
In EVEmon there is some odd section what has something to do with the certificates. But the way I like to use this that software is to combine it with EFT.

It´s possible to pull ship fits into EVEmon and convert it into skillpan. Ones this is done, you go and find right setup of fitting skills to get it work properly and manually add those on the bottom of the list.

Ones it is done, you add the skillplan on your main toon and vola.you have the missing skills and time how long it will take to train those..

Sounds little complicated but ones you get the hold of it it takes less than 5mins to do this. If you have the fit ready.



Like I said, one button in EveHQ, you can set the skills in the fitter and make a queue in the skill planner, no import exporting required.

It also has evemon and EFT import export ability.


Yes but OP asked about cerificates. in EVEmon there is this option. You can greate toon by only using those certificates what allready is there. No need for manually adding the skills.

Ones the things are on place you generate imaginory toon what has those skills and import it into EFT. Dunno why somebody wants to do it this way but what ever rocks the boat. :)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-08-09 15:01:13 UTC
Jani Padecain wrote:


Yes but OP asked about cerificates. in EVEmon there is this option. Altho I wont recomend it...



Agreed if you use certs you will have people training 6 months for simple crap like intercepters (which I think recommends at least advanced nav).

The certs are basically garbage, AND they miss things that you really need. Take a recon, if you want to use a lach or a huggin you MUST have AWU V and RECON 5 to fly it properly. You aren't going to get that out of a cert, or Ishtar which requires HAC V to have its full drone bay (I know that is going away).

Basically there is a lot of fluff i.e. tactical shield manipulation, that you don't want in every cert path.

Take elite amarri turrets, it requires T2 in all turrets, I have amarr BS5 and NEVER had a reason to train up beams, so I have large energy turret V but didn't waste the time training up beams, that I have never been asked to fly, or even wanted to.

That is the issue with the certs.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2013-08-09 16:31:23 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
This may help. It's a bit awkward though. EveMon lets you create "blank" characters. It also lets you export characters to EFT: File -> Export, save as type = CHR format (EFT). However, you'll probably want to export from a Skill Plan instead (Export -> After Plan Character -> ...)

The process would be:
Create a "blank" char in EveMon. Select the ship and equipment you want to use and and "add all to skill plan". Tweak the skills to the desired levels. With the skill plan still open, Export -> After Plan Character ..., and Export the char to EFT. Load it into EFT and see if it matches your specs.


That was going to be my suggestion. Awkward but more or less foolproof. I've just never had great luck with EveHQ.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-09 16:41:15 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
This may help. It's a bit awkward though. EveMon lets you create "blank" characters. It also lets you export characters to EFT: File -> Export, save as type = CHR format (EFT). However, you'll probably want to export from a Skill Plan instead (Export -> After Plan Character -> ...)

The process would be:
Create a "blank" char in EveMon. Select the ship and equipment you want to use and and "add all to skill plan". Tweak the skills to the desired levels. With the skill plan still open, Export -> After Plan Character ..., and Export the char to EFT. Load it into EFT and see if it matches your specs.


That was going to be my suggestion. Awkward but more or less foolproof. I've just never had great luck with EveHQ.



Never had a real issue with it, I've had to port it between computers (you are talking hundreds of fits) and whatnot, I haven't seen an error in forever.
Ginger Barbarella
#15 - 2013-08-09 16:44:27 UTC
Dunk Dinkle wrote:
Anyone know of a ship fitting tool that uses the Eve certificates to see performance instead of the All 5s, API import, or All 0s. that are in several tools?


There isn't a tool that exists to do that, no. As others have stated already in this thread, the usefulness of such a thing is pretty limited except as a novelty. If you want to make recommendations to noobs, pay attention to skills that matter for noobs to ramp up on in what order, and ignore the certs.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
stoicfaux
#16 - 2013-08-09 16:45:33 UTC
In case it hasn't been made abundantly clear, training based on certs is... inefficient, to put it politely. Just send out skill plan files.


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Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-08-09 18:55:45 UTC
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-08-11 04:17:41 UTC
EVE Skilltracker might be worth a look, it has EVEmon plans you can download.