Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please show me where this common Chess suggestion is. No one suggests that. You've got a couple of assumptions buried in there. Show me where it was announced that the purpose of JCs is the one you suggest (I've never seen it, but maybe you have. Link please.). Not everyone who wants this is a null combat pilot looking to get back into the training clone.

However, I agree that the attributes/implant mechanic doesn't add anything to the game and is a relic of D&D. In those sorts of games, attributes played into every roll of the dice and were therefore a critical part of the overall game design. In EVE, they're only used for training purposes, which creates a strange, needless barrier with no obvious point other than stretching out training times and generally getting in the way of things.

I also don't see what this has to do with that particular post. I'd love to see your reply to my med clone post. Also, veiled insults are unbecoming for "folks" who are usually such good posters.

Oh more clones, I am not to sure if its a good or bad thing with more clones, but yes it would help in some things.
Any change have its good and bad side, lets find out what it may have on this.

Lets hope it not get to powerful of a tool.

Please change it where if you are in the same station as another clone you can just swap with it.

This wouldnt count as jumping since you are already there. The jumpers will be rewarded, the lazy won't.

next: safe fittings for clones

Why isn't the timer based on distance jumped?

Simple 2 tier system seems appropriate...

24 hours if jump is outside region
12 hour timer if jump is within region

Your welcome?

Well CCP Rise, it looks like maybe 3 people actually *read* your post.

Thanks for the changes. This will help casual players a lot.

So no more med clones?

The increase in max clones is a bit easier to swallow than a 12 hr. time because they only allow you to plan and preposition more options but they don't allow you to take advantage of those options any quicker.

Again, the options you pointed out for using jump clones and medical clones are well known... and frankly are borderline becoming an issue. I know you think of them as simply clever and effective use of existing game mechanics (which is true) but they do circumvent a great many other important game mechanics and are rapidly getting to the point where more restrictive game mechanics should be considered.

I think the root of this is a misunderstanding as to why there are a lot of people that want to restrict any game mechanic that allows quick and easy movement/trans-location within the game. It's not because we are masochists I promise you.

Any mechanic that allows quick and easy (or instant) movement between locations is great for getting you to your primary objective, and usually erupts in a huge battle in the target strategically important system. It's huge, and concentrated, because everyone and their brother can get there in the blink of an eye.

But while it enables 1 (usually overly large) conflict, that quick and easy movement removes countless other opportunities for conflict to occur along the way. Opportunities that could result in a much wider variety of conflicts, over a much larger area, with fewer negatives associated with the battle.

More restricted movement options makes:

Organization and logistics a much more important consideration for both sides.

Opens opportunities to exploit choke points along the way to the objective system.

Makes ships/gangs that can cover distance quickly far, far more valuable to both sides.

Raises the likelihood that there will be stragglers or isolated groups, allowing for a lot of smaller scale combat.

Raises the likelihood that reinforcements to a battle may have to fight there way through to that battle, resulting in small scale combat in the systems surrounding the (probably) TIDI slowed system.

... and many, many more interactions that would result in MORE conflict, as well as more variety in those conflicts, than would be generated by a system that is more supportive of simply going "click" and you're there.

These objections apply to everything from the current discussion about Jump Clone timers, to reigning in current mechanics involving Jumping of any type (Jump Bridge networks, Titan jumps, cap ship jump range in general).

Easy movement makes it easier to focus on your objectives, I'll give you that... and I understand the appeal. However restrictive movement generates endless opportunities for both sides, and generally more spontaneous game play due to unexpected situations along the way.

In the end, you end up having more fun things to do... they just often won't necessarily be exactly what you planned.

I can also understand the point of view of someone that is (or was) in shipping. Allowing people to jump somewhere and relying on a shipping company to get their ships/equipment there for them to use is great for business. Just keep in mind that if movement keeps getting easier in EVE, eventually they won't need the shipping companies anymore. It will be so easy they will just do it themselves.
As always, the trick is knowing where to draw the line... keeping in mind that the line drawn will affect a huge variety of people and play styles.

Sorry to be so wordy, but I'm hoping that this will help you to understand the mindset of people that have objections and concerns about making certain things even easier than the currently are. Again, we really aren't masochists... we just understand that the rules and restrictions of a game are actually what makes the game interesting and gives it character. To revert back to the old chess analogy in a different way, if you could move the all of the pieces in any direction you liked, as far as you liked, any time you liked... well, it wouldn't really be a game anymore. It's the rules and restrictions in place that define it and make it challenging, as well as enjoyable.

Straight question, no bull ****; do you think the current situation of power projection is in a healthy state for this game?

there is no way to use jumping cloning for free within a station to break the game or gain an unfair travel time advantage.