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Devs said to be looking at drones (nerfs incoming)

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Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#1 - 2013-08-08 18:10:38 UTC
"This is when bomb two of the night was dropped. Apparently, we should have our eyes open for an Eve-O thread sometime in the not too distant future from CCP Ytterbium, who may be working on something to do with drones. The most we were able to glean was that CCP does not like that drone choices all come down to either Gallente (damage) or Minmatar (speed) for lights, and more or less Gallente for anything larger, excluding sentries. I can't imagine a balance pass for drones only sorting out this one issue, but we'll have to keep our eyes on Eve-O for more info when CCP is ready to release it."

Source: http://themittani.com/features/evening-ccp-rise

It's very likely that CCP will 'fix' this by giving drones all the same damage modifier across races, and you can bet they aren't going to use the good one that Gallente drones get.

Thoughts? Is the incoming drone damage nerf justified?
paritybit
Stimulus
#2 - 2013-08-08 18:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: paritybit
You're so certain of this you posted from an alt with no portrait who has never posted before. You must have springs on your shoes because you've jumped to a lot of conclusions based on little evidence.

Give them a little credit before you try to rile up the mob.
Ereshgikal
Wharf Crusaders
#3 - 2013-08-08 18:23:00 UTC
Professor Solus wrote:
Thoughts? Is the incoming drone damage nerf justified?


Damage is not the only parameter that can be tweaked. Tracking, range, speed, durability, and so on.

Sure, damage looks nice in EFT/pyfa, but you need to apply it as well.
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#4 - 2013-08-08 18:23:49 UTC
paritybit wrote:
You're so certain of this you posted from an alt with no portrait who has never posted before. You must have springs on your shoes because you've jumped to a lot of conclusions based on little evidence.

Give them a little credit before you try to rile up the mob.


Generally, CCP only makes good balance changes at the point of a pitchfork. But go ahead and wait for the dev blog. I'll be here.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#5 - 2013-08-08 18:23:56 UTC
I've read the article on TMC.
I've long wanted CCP to revamp/improve drones (UI/shortcuts/paper vs real damage projection)

What makes you think that CCP will "fix" drones by giving them uniform damage modifiers? What makes you think that CCP would reduce the damage modifiers of all drones?
Drone damage is pretty fierce, on paper. But without proper ranges or omni tracking links drones apply far less of their potential damage in real combat situations....just like every other platform (except perhaps missiles since that's a far more predictable damage application and there are no negative modifier modules (yet?)).


I look forward to seeing what Ytterbium has in mind and think it's far too early to sound the clarion call of nerf (though it's always in reserve).

I'm right behind you
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#6 - 2013-08-08 18:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
paritybit wrote:
You must have springs on your shoes because you've jumped to a lot of conclusions based on little evidence.

LOL. I agree though. *serious face*

EDIT: I don't see a feature or idea in the OP, just some idle speculation from a 3rd party source. Perhaps this would be better in the general discussion forum?

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#7 - 2013-08-08 18:33:03 UTC
Alundil wrote:
I've read the article on TMC.
I've long wanted CCP to revamp/improve drones (UI/shortcuts/paper vs real damage projection)

What makes you think that CCP will "fix" drones by giving them uniform damage modifiers? What makes you think that CCP would reduce the damage modifiers of all drones?
Drone damage is pretty fierce, on paper. But without proper ranges or omni tracking links drones apply far less of their potential damage in real combat situations....just like every other platform (except perhaps missiles since that's a far more predictable damage application and there are no negative modifier modules (yet?)).


I look forward to seeing what Ytterbium has in mind and think it's far too early to sound the clarion call of nerf (though it's always in reserve).


You call ~475 dps with all skills on a bonused battleship using gal drones fierce? And as you said, the damage is even lower in reality. DPS is going to get nerfed. Maybe tracking and optimals will be tweaked, but drones are going to come out with more "utility" and less damage.

What I really find confusing about the Devs' thought process here is that they ostensibly want to encourage a more diverse use of drones by normalizing damage, but they ALSO want to pigeonhole certain types of ships into using certain types of drones if they want to do damage:

Quote:
At one point CCP Rise made mention of the possibility of future damage specific drone bonuses (I think this was when we were talking about the why of the Cerberus keeping its kinetic only damage bonus).


What the actual ****?
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#8 - 2013-08-08 19:12:36 UTC
Professor Solus wrote:
"This is when bomb two of the night was dropped. Apparently, we should have our eyes open for an Eve-O thread sometime in the not too distant future from CCP Ytterbium, who may be working on something to do with drones. The most we were able to glean was that CCP does not like that drone choices all come down to either Gallente (damage) or Minmatar (speed) for lights, and more or less Gallente for anything larger, excluding sentries. I can't imagine a balance pass for drones only sorting out this one issue, but we'll have to keep our eyes on Eve-O for more info when CCP is ready to release it."

Source: http://themittani.com/features/evening-ccp-rise

It's very likely that CCP will 'fix' this by giving drones all the same damage modifier across races, and you can bet they aren't going to use the good one that Gallente drones get.

Thoughts? Is the incoming drone damage nerf justified?



Lol.

Since when does talking about how underpowered 2 races drones are mean the other 2 races are going to be nerfed. Quite honestly this should have been addressed years ago; not sure why it took CCP so long to realize the obvious.
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
#9 - 2013-08-08 19:39:36 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Lol.

Since when does talking about how underpowered 2 races drones are mean the other 2 races are going to be nerfed. Quite honestly this should have been addressed years ago; not sure why it took CCP so long to realize the obvious.


lol. If you think all drones are going to do the damage gallente drones do, or be as fast as minmatar drones are, you're very wrong.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-08 19:49:44 UTC
Professor Solus wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Lol.

Since when does talking about how underpowered 2 races drones are mean the other 2 races are going to be nerfed. Quite honestly this should have been addressed years ago; not sure why it took CCP so long to realize the obvious.


lol. If you think all drones are going to do the damage gallente drones do, or be as fast as minmatar drones are, you're very wrong.

Of course not, if there damage is modified at all I suspect they will get the Fighter Drone treatment.
They will all do the same damage (probably Gallente damage) and then each drone will have a different best secondary attribute.
Gallente: Highest HP
Minmatar: Fastest velocity
Caldari: Longest optimal range
Amarr: Highest alpha strike

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#11 - 2013-08-08 22:01:22 UTC
I think it would be weird to if gallente drones did the same dps as caldari they don''t do with ships why do it here?

There are many other attributes that could make each one as useful as the others .. again same as the races ships.

No to homogenisation .

Lights
- need better tracking, orbit velocity and more survivability( ability to dodge bullets would be nice), lower sig radius

Mediums
- similar to lights, reduce sig res of guns

Heavies
- similar to lights but also more mwd speed and stronger dps advantage over sentries. , need larger engagement range, reduce sig res of guns

Sentries
- track too well and dps is too similar to heavies and range is too good

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#12 - 2013-08-08 23:21:55 UTC
Professor Solus wrote:
"This is when bomb two of the night was dropped. Apparently, we should have our eyes open for an Eve-O thread sometime in the not too distant future from CCP Ytterbium, who may be working on something to do with drones. The most we were able to glean was that CCP does not like that drone choices all come down to either Gallente (damage) or Minmatar (speed) for lights, and more or less Gallente for anything larger, excluding sentries. I can't imagine a balance pass for drones only sorting out this one issue, but we'll have to keep our eyes on Eve-O for more info when CCP is ready to release it."

Source: http://themittani.com/features/evening-ccp-rise

It's very likely that CCP will 'fix' this by giving drones all the same damage modifier across races, and you can bet they aren't going to use the good one that Gallente drones get.

Thoughts? Is the incoming drone damage nerf justified?


And to think, that after reading loads of dev blogs on the subject, I was under the impression that drones were due a significant buff across all races not to mention user interface improvements.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-08-08 23:54:15 UTC
so what's the feature or idea? take off the tinfoil hat compadre, it's covering your eyes. This is F&I Forums.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2013-08-09 15:25:39 UTC
Feature or idea
Your post has neither of these
Rumors not allowed.


Thread locked for lack of a feature or idea and for rumor mongering.

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