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Rattlesnake anymore?
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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-08-08 06:57:36 UTC
Relative to to the other pirate faction battle ships with specific bonuses to their primary weapons systems that isn't clunky and annoying to manage there's a reason the rattlesnake's only worth 500 mill in Jita. Makes me sad as I keep getting rattlesnake BPC's.
Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#22 - 2013-08-08 07:39:25 UTC
To understand why rattlesnake is so bad try this:

take an ishtar fit capable to solo up to DED 8 complexes with only T2 or cheap faction items and you'll and up easily with 550/600+ DPS (there are many around)

now try to do the same with the RS...


you'll end up with a similar tank/dps on paper (EFT) with double cost (or more) and when you try it in a real plex you'll die miserably since you'll have three times the signature radius than the Ishtar.

LM
Ejderdisi
Rogue Inferno.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-08-08 08:02:27 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Did you even read my post?

Also, there's more than level 4's out there. If you're only comparing that tiny, tiny isolated fragment of the game for your analysis ... then sure, it's 'sub-par' (and a situation only created by the [imho] massively out of whack Domi). But ALL pirate BS are also crap mining barges compared to a Mack...../sigh

Go take a lone T2 fit pirate battleship into a high end plex...let me know how that works out for you. Or a really neut heavy site.


Dude... what you are telling me high end plexes and even some neut heavy sites are actually bigger part of eve than lvl 4s.

What I am trying to say is make rattlesnake a fast pve and even pvp ship. not only a ship for blood plexes...

Aren't you getting bored with rattlesnake as it is...
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-08-08 11:32:21 UTC
I rarely fly it, there are better tools for my interests. But if my interests lay elsewhere then I'd use it. It's the best boat for certain things, that's all.
Malak Alraheem
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-08-09 01:01:09 UTC
Finally got around to playing with one of these... good ship for when you are too drunk to mine.
Govind
Parity Labs
#26 - 2013-08-09 17:26:46 UTC
CCP: "Now what we've done with this next mission is create a rather tricky little scenario where, ooh-ho now get this, we've impeded your very ability to target! Now here's the kicker, you may be feeling a bit... drained when you realize that your capacitor has..."

Me: Rattlesnake, next!
Ginger Barbarella
#27 - 2013-08-09 23:01:04 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
Relative to to the other pirate faction battle ships with specific bonuses to their primary weapons systems that isn't clunky and annoying to manage there's a reason the rattlesnake's only worth 500 mill in Jita. Makes me sad as I keep getting rattlesnake BPC's.


Feel free to give them to me at zero cost if it really bothers you.

Wanna bet it doesn't bother you THAT much? Blink

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#28 - 2013-08-10 00:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
The Rattlesnake could be a nice ship, has a very decent tank and yes - it can do lvl IVs just fine (but then again, show me any BS that can't).

The Problem is the fact that outside some odd tinker tournament environment setups, its highslots are a complete waste - 4 damage unbonused bays just don't really cut it.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Allyxy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-08-10 15:47:44 UTC
Show me a passive RS fit that can tank better than a passive Ishtar with the same dps....

Show me a RS fit that can do the same DPS and tank of a Domi at the same cost...

Show me a decent RS PVP fit...

RS is overall very bad to be a pirate faction BShip.

My2 cents, Ay
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-10 15:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Large Collidable Object wrote:
The Rattlesnake could be a nice ship, has a very decent tank and yes - it can do lvl IVs just fine (but then again, show me any BS that can't).

The Problem is the fact that outside some odd tinker tournament environment setups, its highslots are a complete waste - 4 damage unbonused bays just don't really cut it.


Train drone skills. Did you know that flying battleship without good drone skills is a bad idea?

Allyxy wrote:
RS is overall very bad to be a pirate faction BShip.


Train drone skills.
Thalgardis Tivianne
Lost Legion Of Death
Help Newbes Find a Way Alliance
#31 - 2013-08-10 16:27:44 UTC
From a new player perspective the RS excels through it`s easy handling. Also it`s rather forgiving when it comes to mistakes. Therefore it gets rather boring quickly the more experienced you get.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-08-10 16:48:31 UTC
I love flying my gila
it has an excellent tank
excellent dps projection via drones
its incredibly flexible in how you can fit it, and in the roles that it can perform solo, in small gangs and larger fleets aswell

the only thing the gila doesn't do well is asteroid mining.

the snake takes everything the gila does, and improves on it
the rattlesnake is definitely on my training schedule as its just an extra 2-4 skills
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#33 - 2013-08-10 17:45:45 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:


Train drone skills. Did you know that flying battleship without good drone skills is a bad idea?




I totally didn't know that - my chararcters have 13, 9 and 7 mill SP in drone skills, respectively - but yeah, I will train some drone skills asap. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with me.

On a side note: Did you know that training drone skills doesn't make the Rattlers Highslots any more useful?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-08-10 21:55:14 UTC
PVP: can think of several uses, but frankly very niche ones based purely on the tank capability, drone dps and midslots.

PVE: not an optimal ship for much anything except for L5 and DED8-10. MJD Dominix handles a lot of those for much less of a risk due to its increased drone range.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#35 - 2013-08-11 06:55:57 UTC
Regarding our use of rattlesnakes in AT11, we used them since they are unique for a battleship (other than perhaps the Dominix and Armageddon) to be able to project damage at decent ranges while being jammed/td'ed/damped, while also fielding a very solid tank both in terms of EHP and resists. Not to mention sentry drones with a couple omnidirectionals hit even low-signature cruisers such as warfare linked logistics quite well once a web and a target painter or two is applied.

I still wouldnt probably use one for PVP in "real eve", but in the tournament they are rather effective in certain scenarios.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#36 - 2013-08-11 09:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Allyxy wrote:
Show me a decent RS PVP fit...

I shouldn't post these really for obvious reasons, but I digress.

[Rattlesnake, Rattle BaitJail: Loot Pinata simulation]

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centus B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Cynosural Field Generator I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior I x5
Bouncer II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

[Rattlesnake, Rattle Surprise!]

Co-Processor II
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Rage Torpedo
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Rage Torpedo

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior I x5
Bouncer II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#37 - 2013-08-12 11:48:41 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
I love flying my gila
it has an excellent tank
excellent dps projection via drones
its incredibly flexible in how you can fit it, and in the roles that it can perform solo, in small gangs and larger fleets aswell

the only thing the gila doesn't do well is asteroid mining.

the snake takes everything the gila does, and improves on it
the rattlesnake is definitely on my training schedule as its just an extra 2-4 skills



You'll end up very disappointed when you'll discover that your much more expensive RS, that was better than Gila on paper, will be much worst cause of the huge Signature radius.... so to get the same tank of the Gila you'll end up giving out the extra dps and your big, expensive ship will perform overall less than your starting Gila....

Don't do my mistake :)

LM
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#38 - 2013-08-12 18:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Lady Manus wrote:
Is there any1 using Rattlesnake with success? (both PVP and PVE)

To me it seems that this ships is sub-par to all other ships of the same class, or am I wrong?

LM


I run missions in Minmatar space. It cant even think about beating the mach at angels, but it kicks ass for everything else. I have a TFI also, but the extra utility slots make it ideal for running missions where you have to swap fits. For example, the Assault has heavy dampening, so I use a signal amp and SEBO+range script. It works great against Mordus, Sansha's, Mercs, Serpentis, and Guristas.

I do run it with the same mods as any other expensive mission boat rather than relying on its Drake tank. 1104 DPS up to 47km and about 950 DPS at 100k. It complets missions in about the same amount of time as the TFI.

Basically just do missions till I have a bunch of non Angel missions saved up across my agents, and when I start to get Angel Cartel Missions stacked up JC back. Rinse and repeat.

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You'll end up very disappointed when you'll discover that your much more expensive RS, that was better than Gila on paper, will be much worst cause of the huge Signature radius.... so to get the same tank of the Gila you'll end up giving out the extra dps and your big, expensive ship will perform overall less than your starting Gila....


Lol.

And for C4/C5, they are great in a fleet. A couple of RS nurses with decent damage and great repping/cap repping (for your DPS ships) . And Ideal for "surprise PvP" if you should get caught with your pants down (see the post a few posts up).

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-08-12 22:24:24 UTC
for sure RS can't beat machariel on ticks on angel space but you risk less when it comes to isk.

Still i can get descent ticks near the machariel (if i remember correct i have like 4m or 5m difference) that is nice for such a cheap haul. Any other space i been the mach was subpar especially the dronelands unless pimped way 2 much. On angels its hail what makes the difference

Ride hard, live with passion 
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-08-14 00:04:59 UTC
Lady Manus wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
I love flying my gila
it has an excellent tank
excellent dps projection via drones
its incredibly flexible in how you can fit it, and in the roles that it can perform solo, in small gangs and larger fleets aswell

the only thing the gila doesn't do well is asteroid mining.

the snake takes everything the gila does, and improves on it
the rattlesnake is definitely on my training schedule as its just an extra 2-4 skills



You'll end up very disappointed when you'll discover that your much more expensive RS, that was better than Gila on paper, will be much worst cause of the huge Signature radius.... so to get the same tank of the Gila you'll end up giving out the extra dps and your big, expensive ship will perform overall less than your starting Gila....

Don't do my mistake :)

LM


I guess it's down to personal preferences and playing styles ..
I don't enjoy the solo gameplay in eve, for me it's kind of boring

I find the Gila works really well in a small fleet, from the number crunching I've done the RS will work, for me, just as well and more.
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