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In regards to Cloaks and AFK-Cloaked Campers
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Katia Echerie
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#141 - 2013-08-07 23:20:38 UTC
Sigh.... this is one of those Eve discussions that just don't go away. Its pretty simple really. The only people bothered by AFK cloakers are people that don't know how to fight back. Just put one of your own on the hostile system and bam. Problem solved.... Forever. You will know what they are doing every time and thus there will be absolutely no risk. Also, if you are losing your ships to solo bombers you are doing it wrong. If you are losing your ships to Recons, you are doing it wrong. All it takes is a little attention. Cloaks prevent you from doing anything other than warp around like a tool. Furthermore, fitting a cloak capable ship means you have serious compromises to make in pretty much every other category.

No other module in Eve glitches out or fails. Cloaks shouldn't either.

Severely dislike this idea.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#142 - 2013-08-07 23:43:57 UTC
I'm cloaking this thread so no one can reply to it anymore.

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Luke Frazza
Doomheim
#143 - 2013-08-08 07:44:12 UTC
modified smart bomb does minimal dmg but has like 25km range and can decloak anything in its radius.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-08-08 07:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
Sean Parisi wrote:
I'm cloaking this thread so no one can reply to it anymore.

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You could not activate your cloak because you are within 2000m of trolls
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#145 - 2013-08-08 07:48:49 UTC
Pelea Ming wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
So to summarise and clarify the OP:

He wants as massive nerf to active cloakers, forcing them to jump through arbitrary steps to unreliably maintain a cloak.

And the reason for doing this is to reduce the uncertainty, risk, and effort required on his part even further.

No.


Aka: Punish all for the actions and fears of a few.

Sounds familiar.

If you 2 want to troll, bugger off. My proposed changes in no way are a "major change" to anything, and provide only a minor inconvenience to active players.


Why should dozens of different activities by very much active players be put through a big (and it IS big) inconvenience though if the desire is only to "fix" afk people?

It's either a really poor idea, or you're being dishonest and want to penalise and punish active players. Which is it? Is your idea stupid, or are you a liar?

Additionally, the entire goal of this change is to allow you to know, with absolute certainty, what another player is doing - whether they're active and hunting, or not. You do not need that intel, and you certainly don't deserve to be just handed it without any effort on your part. You also refuse to acknowledge the balance issue - this is solely beneficial to you. You get more intel. You get less uncertainty and risk. You get more time and opportunity to react in the best way. You get to kill players who by definition have zero capability to hurt or kill you.

It's disgusting.

You can't just dismiss these points by screaming "troll" - trying to do so just demonstrates how weak your arguments are.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#146 - 2013-08-08 08:03:06 UTC
Luke Frazza wrote:
modified smart bomb does minimal dmg but has like 25km range and can decloak anything in its radius.


Sure..... an 'I Win Button' for gatecamps. That's really going to make the game better.
Also, post with your main.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.