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-10.0000 imposible? 20m.isk math problem
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Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-08-06 22:30:20 UTC
Clearly the answer is "Sproing"...., damn plebeians
Tikera Tissant
#22 - 2013-08-06 22:35:31 UTC
Doesn't that all depends on how many numbers after the dot CCP are saving in the database, or what type of numeric it is?
If its up to 5, all you need is 5 more kills to get is 30 pods to get to a -9.999995 and the rounded number will end up being -10.00000.
If its a floating number, it might be almost infinite. Large enough that you you will never reach it.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-08-06 22:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Wingmate
Luis Graca wrote:
Have you try to smartbomb jita 4-4 undock ?


this is pretty much the best idea. make sure you get next to a pod when you do it first, never know what km you might get.

making a corp while in jita (or moving your corp headquarters there) means you can set your pod for 4-4 as well. just keep undocking in an ibis with a micro bomb on it and you'll hit it in ten minutes.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-08-06 22:38:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Andski wrote:
You don't actually have to kill pods, you only need to aggress them. So if you go somewhere with a good number of pods flying about, you can use an ECM burst.

wheres the fun in that


or smartbombs


Does it work if you agress ships instead of pods? If yes, the Jita-Perimeter gate at prime time is a good place to "hunt" I guess.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-08-06 22:41:58 UTC
Took me three to five pods in a 0.5 to get from -9.99 to -10.

Can't recall exactly anymore. :(
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-08-06 22:43:26 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
Have you try to smartbomb jita 4-4 undock ?


this is pretty much the best idea. make sure you get next to a pod when you do it first, never know what km you might get.

making a corp while in jita (or moving your corp headquarters there) means you can set your pod for 4-4 as well. just keep undocking in an ibis with a micro bomb on it and you'll hit it in ten minutes.


Good luck finding targets actual 30km away from the undock ...

... otoh, of course, some people actually do undock and cruise for a while.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#27 - 2013-08-06 22:59:35 UTC
I read this thread wrong.

I came looking for a 20mil ISK meth problem.

Leaving disappointed.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-08-07 00:06:13 UTC
Eve is dying.
Commandante Chongo
Bored Bitter Vet
#29 - 2013-08-07 00:38:05 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Commandante Chongo wrote:

This is the best worked out but it cant be right.. i have podded 9 pods and not even a 0.0001 that's a third of your total amount and it should get progressively harder


Keep at it. There's no mathematical reason that you should be sticking at 9.9997 that I can see. Keep going, it's for Science!!!

How many pods did it take for 9.9996 to 9.9997?



dont remember but im keeping a tally from 9997 to 9998.

il let u know


no one yet to be able to give me a number so no payout as of yet
stoicfaux
#30 - 2013-08-07 01:07:46 UTC
Serious effort has been made to document how floating point numbers should behave. IEEE floating point. Try reading up on the formats and the rounding rules.

IEEE = Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

You would need a dev to tell you what standard the EVE servers are using. Even then, there could be some arbitrary rounding in the code somewhere.

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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#31 - 2013-08-07 07:02:50 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
Mathematically, using %'s you can never get to 0.

But for all intents and purposes as well as practicality, the standard is to wait until a certain point that allows you to go "Yep, it's pretty much -10."

The math twist on the "man walks into a bar..." joke explains this to the common layman (the OP), it goes like this:

"Infinitely many mathematicians walk into a bar. The first says, "I'll have a beer." The second says, "I'll have half a beer." The third says, "I'll have a quarter of a beer." The barman pulls out just two beers. The mathematicians are all like, "That's all you're giving us? How drunk do you expect us to get on that?" The bartender says, "Come on guys. Know your limits.""

"Know your limits." is a reference to a mathematical procedure in situations like this.

So, literally, you will never hit true -10 sec status. Practically, it's whatever arbitrary number CCP decided on to avoid the following:

-9.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999....forever


I'll be sure to remember this joke.



Also:


Helium walks into a bar. The barkeeper says: "Sorry, but we don't serve noble gases here."

Helium doesn't react.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-08-07 07:19:32 UTC
All you need:
- Your PvE alt with 5.0 or higher sec status.
- Solar system with 1.0 security.
- Untanked Ibis (ship your PvE alt is flying)
- More than 2 billion worth of implants in PvE alt's head.
- More than 20 billion worth of PLEX in cargohold.

Smartbomb that Ibis and then the pod.

Instant -10,0000.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2013-08-07 07:37:36 UTC
Commandante Chongo wrote:
Got a math problem for someone smarter than myself:

Character at sec status -9.9997

Current pod sec hit is about -6.5%

how many pods would it take to get from -9.9997 to -10.0000

20m isk for a worked out solution



Hard to say, I killed some 600 pods I think but I have to kill rats once in a while that ruin my neg sec status.
there is a -10 displayed in the char sheet after a while at least...

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#34 - 2013-08-07 07:56:45 UTC
Have you asked Chribba? He likes math.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-08-07 08:08:51 UTC
i have a -9.999999999999999999 and have been for many many months after thousands of pod kills in low sec (0.3/0.4 mostly).

To get to a full -10.0000 id have to aggro/kill pods in 1.0 space, to a big enough % hit to tip it over.

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-08-07 08:19:06 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
To get to a full -10.0000 id have to aggro/kill pods in 1.0 space, to a big enough % hit to tip it over.


Then do it.

Nothing stops you from flying in hisec.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#37 - 2013-08-07 08:35:49 UTC
The EVE API use 14 decimals for sec status so that is how far you need to push it to show up as -10 on places like eveboard.

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Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#38 - 2013-08-07 11:14:31 UTC
Private Pineapple wrote:
Mathematically, using %'s you can never get to 0.

But for all intents and purposes as well as practicality, the standard is to wait until a certain point that allows you to go "Yep, it's pretty much -10."

The math twist on the "man walks into a bar..." joke explains this to the common layman (the OP), it goes like this:

"Infinitely many mathematicians walk into a bar. The first says, "I'll have a beer." The second says, "I'll have half a beer." The third says, "I'll have a quarter of a beer." The barman pulls out just two beers. The mathematicians are all like, "That's all you're giving us? How drunk do you expect us to get on that?" The bartender says, "Come on guys. Know your limits.""

"Know your limits." is a reference to a mathematical procedure in situations like this.

So, literally, you will never hit true -10 sec status. Practically, it's whatever arbitrary number CCP decided on to avoid the following:

-9.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999....forever


It's very similar to Zeno's paradox, where achilles *apparently* never catches the tortoise because of logarithmically decreasing increments
Julius Priscus
#39 - 2013-08-07 13:30:17 UTC
there is at least 13 peeps on eve board with true -10.0

http://eveboard.com/fullranks/50-lowest-security-status

its not that hard to get there now.. in the old days it was something to be worked hard at.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-08-07 13:43:56 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
To get to a full -10.0000 id have to aggro/kill pods in 1.0 space, to a big enough % hit to tip it over.


Then do it.

Nothing stops you from flying in hisec.


meh effort.

I dont want the -10.0000 just adding to this thread.

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