Missions & Complexes

Oh please.

Not sending drones beyond 10km? That’s your choice. But in the time you wait for your targets to get that close, my T1 drones usually have taken out all (small) targets (depends a bit on the mission, of course). I prefer to clear missions fast. And why should I care if I lose 1 or 2 drones that way? Actually, if I calculate ISK/hr, it would cost me more to take the time to recall/micromanage my drones in order to save them – at 6k ISK per drone … whohoo.

And I’m silly for claiming that people will lose drones? Maybe you should check the markets. Drones are traded in thousands. This would be very strange, if you were right.

And I didn’t claim that you don’t notice a difference between T1 and T2, I said you won’t notice the difference much (in a typical L4 mission). Besides, if the difference is enough that you have to warp out when you are in trouble and are scrammed by NPC to avoid becoming space dust you are either doing something fundamentally wrong or you are flying a **** fit or both.

So maybe you are the one who should ask for advice.

No worries. Next time I'm coming to the market for replacements, I'll buy some extra to compensate.



No, T1 Hobs can not one shot frigates (well, maybe they can one shot rookie frigates, but I don't remember seeing one outside of a tutorial mission ever, so I guess that doesn't count). However, the T1 Hobs only need to kill those frigates a little bit faster than you need to pop everything else. And in most L4 missions that's not a problem considering the number of frigates compared to the number of other ships.

Raven is not very good at lvl 4's. It can do them but stay in lvl 3's and a BC until you can run a T2 Caldari Naval Raven.

If you just can't wait/impatient then get a scorp instead.

Your Raven has 9 mid slots?

In PvE, don't mix passive and active tanking.

Mids:
Kinetic Deflection x2
Thermic Disspation
x-large shield booster
Shield boost amp
optional, you could even use a cap booster for tanking the heavy dps when you first arrive

You won't be able to run lvl 4's efficiently until you can use tech 2 hardeners and boosters. Also, ffs don't ever leave a skill you use at level 1 (cruise missiles), at lest get everything to 3 FIRST, then focus on getting what you need to 4-5.

I prefer power diagnostic systems to cap flux coils, but that's also optional

to run level 4 missions well you want all you fitting skills at 4, with rank 1 fitting skills at 5.
You need cruise missiles and all the missile support skills to 4

You will be at at least 10 million total skill points before you can easily run level 4 missions. but with help, and careful planing to can run them slow, but safe, before that. Think of playing WOW,if that is where you came from, now go run a raid at level 50 with generic heavy armor. Did you win? no, you were not ready.

You need more than the ability to sit in a ship to be able to fly it effectively. My advice is stay in a drake until you have all your fitting skills up, and all missile support skills to at least 4. Under skilled, a drake will have a higher survivability than a Raven in level 4 missions. You will just lack the DPS to finish them fast.

A rule of thumb for mission running, do not mix active and passive tank modules, in fact, mission running is near impossible with a passive/buffer tank. You want to use active hardeners. these need to be turned on, and use cap, but trust me, the extra resists are worth it. Unless you have all shield compensation skills to 5, passive resist amps are useless. many would argue that even with skills to 5 they are useless.

The extra large shield booster is good, but you want to only pulse this as needed, not leave it running. This is easier to do when you have higher resists. my mission raven runs with 2 of each, mission specific faction hardeners at over 80% resists. With a Caldari Navy X-large shield booster. A damage controller in a low slot is good while you are learning. it will give a little boost to your shields, and allow your armor/hull to hold up long enough to warp out if your shields go down.

Forget the CCC rigs, they do not do much for your cap, that extra large booster just burns cap to fast for them to make a difference. 2 rigor and 1 flare rigs will do you much better.These do not directly affect your DPS numbers in the fitting screen, but you will hit much harder, especially against small targets. I one volley destroyers and most cruisers. frigates are still hard to hit, but can be killed by cruise missiles with good skills and rigor rigs. bring some faction missiles for those hard to kill battleships, at least until you can use t2 missiles.And keep your range. Even a low skilled raven can target out over 90km, and cruise missiles can hit much farther than that. I find 60-70 km from the BS's is good, the added range really drops the incoming DPS, while you still hit for full damage.

Your basic fitting skills seem to be your biggest hole, other than cruise missiles 1, WTF is that? 4 is bare minimum for the weapon system you use in missions, you should have it to 5, with advanced cruise missiles to 4 to hit hard with T2 missiles. my raven does over 1000DPS.

But your core skills,

Energy Management 3
Energy Systems Operation 3
Shield Emission Systems 2
Shield Management 3
Shield Operation 4
Electronics ?
Engineering ?
Mechanics ?

should all be to 5 before running level 4 missions. This is one spot where certificates can help. get all your core certificates to at least standard. CCC rigs will not help much when your cap is gimped by your skills.

energy grid upgrade will give you more power grid, as well you will want to train weapon upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades under the gunnery path. The affect missile systems as much as they do guns. these will make your cruise launchers use less power and CPU leaving more for your tank.

When I first started missioning I used a passive tank hurricane quite successfully in L3s. Skills were at 4 at the time. I don't know if canes are still like that these days, but I never once had any issues.

LOL sure. You the expert then, but I still have my 4 year old tengu with a pithum a medium sb, caldari navy invuln's and CN BCS's and don't loose drones.

What? Eh? how?

We were talking about boats with expensive ammo costs, hence the AC mach being the costliest

Maybe if you think it that way. Mach is by far the most expensive ship to use in level 4s. Faction ammo isn't cheap and Mach goes through piles of faction ammo so quickly it's not even funny.