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The loki and the C6 Pulsar

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Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-06 14:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vassal Zeren
So If you really want to do it wrong I'm thinking up some fits for Shield Tankers in C6 pulsars. The obvious issue is the Sig radius penalty. Your loki is going to have 100% more sig which means its as easy to hit as say a typhoon fleet issue. So after much EFTing I came up with this.

3x CN power diagnositc units.
1x DCU II
1x Overdrive Injector II

1x Adaptive Invuln II
1x Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
1x gistum B-type AB
2x Fed navy Webs

And 220 autocannons in the highs.

Subsystems are

Resists one
Immobility Drivers
Cap regen Matrix
Damagey one
Fuel Catalyst

Loki would field paining drones as would the first carrier which of course would rep and cap transfer the loki. First carrier would be a chimera. Loki and carrier would both use TPing drones.

The main question is: can the Loki survive the Alpha strikes of the Sleeper BS? With two waves on the field plus initial spawn you're looking at 15 BS.

With some OGB the Loki has 85-90 ish resists and 16000 shield hitpoints with pulsar; the EHP clocks in at about 180k. It also goes about 850 mps. Oh if only Pulsar boosted Shield Resists! At least Neuting is less of an issue. So... Can anyone think of a better Loki shield fit for a Pulsar C6? Assuming one would be crazy enough to try it?

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#2 - 2013-08-06 14:48:48 UTC
Started reading, realized you're talking about PvE, leaving disappointed.

Also, Huginn is way better than Loki in a Pulsar. More web range, room for webbers and painters, plenty of buffer. Sig tanking is not necessary.

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Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-06 14:59:01 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Started reading, realized you're talking about PvE, leaving disappointed.

Also, Huginn is way better than Loki in a Pulsar. More web range, room for webbers and painters, plenty of buffer. Sig tanking is not necessary.


Lol, sorry to disappoint; thanks for the advice! I picked the loki originally because of the higher resist profile. Is the AB approach right do you think? Oh I forgot to mention in the original post that the rigs are T2 shield Resists. But as for PVP stories, I'll have many for you very soon I think. Call it a hunch.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Cipreh
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-08-06 16:42:52 UTC
got as far as "tornado fleet issue" and stopped reading.

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2013-08-06 16:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
You have to double up on lokis really to perform the same role as the huginn, huginn is doable but if it takes full aggro your gonna need a carrier pilot who is really on the ball, full siege links and perfectly stagerred shield RR to keep it alive against 2 waves of sleepers. Most of the time if you keep the huginn behind the dreads compared to the sleeper positions as much as possible it will rarely take any significant aggro.

The webbing loki I used when we lived in a C5 pulsar I didn't bother ABing tho with siege links, etc. its possible to get the EHP and resists high enough to tank full aggro fairly comfortably from carrier reps. If you get in web range of the guardians you will be webbed down to very low speeds even with an AB on.
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-08-06 18:46:58 UTC
So from what your saying a loki is safer but a huggin is better. If I were to not use the AB what do you think I should put in its stead? Extra shield extender, invuln or TP? Could you give me a feel for how much you tanked your huggin? Was your boosting maxed out in SP?

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2013-08-06 18:57:30 UTC
Boosters were maxed w/ mindlink - it makes a huge difference to survivability in a pulsar. On my loki fits I used a TP in the extra slot, the huginns were a bit under tanked tbh if I hadn't been 100% on the ball we'd have lost em several times I can't remember the exact stats and some people liked to run them with only one tanking module in the mids and 5 slots used for web/tp which was quite scary to keep alive :S
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-06 19:06:59 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Boosters were maxed w/ mindlink - it makes a huge difference to survivability in a pulsar. On my loki fits I used a TP in the extra slot, the huginns were a bit under tanked tbh if I hadn't been 100% on the ball we'd have lost em several times I can't remember the exact stats and some people liked to run them with only one tanking module in the mids and 5 slots used for web/tp which was quite scary to keep alive :S


I think for the first round I'll play it safe and have my mates use Loki's :) Ideally well have two but if there's only one available is it critical to have the second? Is there a hazard or is the site just slower? Also did the Huggins have resist rigs or extender rigs? And what kind of links did you use?

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#9 - 2013-08-06 19:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
IIRC they had 1x T2 kinetic and 1x T2 extender rig but its been awhile - huginns (if you don't go silly on the fit) are a lot cheaper than lokis so with the amount made from escalations you can afford to lose one in awhile just make sure you have a backup one to hand.

To decently apply dread dps you need 3x webs + 2x TP, running a loki with say 2x web, 1x TP is ok but will make running the site a fair bit slower.

I used to run a 6 link setup with all 3 siege links, interdiction manouvers, the sig reduction link and also sensor integrity to make the webbing ships harder to jam if someone jumped us in site. Not sure what the other people boosting did but would have been all 3 siege and the interdictions link atleast.
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-06 19:58:35 UTC
Thanks a lot for the information; I think I should be alright now.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-06 20:59:40 UTC
Don't bother. Armor loki goes just fine. Even with 3 guardian-waves, if properly fit.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-06 21:48:57 UTC
you dont need anywhere near that much tank.

this works fine:
Quote:
[Loki, Test]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

(put something in the highs i guess)

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Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-08-06 22:07:22 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
you dont need anywhere near that much tank.

this works fine:
Quote:
[Loki, Test]
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

(put something in the highs i guess)


Sweet thanks a lot, Jack.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#14 - 2013-08-06 23:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
If your primarily using lokis w/ TPs then the infowar link that increases the bloom factor of TPs is useful also (sleepers don't inherit the pulsar sig increase).
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#15 - 2013-08-06 23:52:04 UTC
You mentioned the Tornado fleet issue


Never have i seen such a thing, but perhaps i could buy it ?
Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-08-07 12:59:32 UTC
Nutmegpainter wrote:
You mentioned the Tornado fleet issue


Never have i seen such a thing, but perhaps i could buy it ?


LOL. Shoot. ill fix that. But yeah I got one in stock right now. It'll only cost you one carrier. (I'm in the market)

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.