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Did CCP originally intend there to be large alliances?

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#1 - 2013-08-06 15:23:53 UTC
Sure CCP wanted a sandbox. Sure they wanted to see what would happen like everyone else. But did CCP ever imagine large coalitions that could field thousands of ships would come into existence? Was the original vision more like the wild west and less of the zerg-blob-zerg?

As these large space battles get more and more e-fame I wonder if CCP will be influenced to set up more of these situations. Hopefully CCP will keep their focus on balance for all security status', but fame makes people do crazy things.
Mainiac IV
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-08-06 15:25:41 UTC
stealth nerf afk cloakers thread.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-06 15:27:16 UTC
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2013-08-06 15:28:02 UTC
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-06 15:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.


Its why I am starting to think they may start to implememt coalition technology...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#6 - 2013-08-06 15:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
CCP has been chasing after player-driven developments pretty much forever. Including the massive coalition/alliances.
They knew *something* would happen, but not what, or how, or how large. Gotta give 'em credit - they've done a pretty good job of keeping up with the wild and crazy things the players have done.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#7 - 2013-08-06 15:32:56 UTC
They probably didn't even foresee thousands of players, let alone alliance's with thousands of players, let alone fleet fights with thousands of ships...

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-06 15:34:43 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.


We are now officially in a EVE is dieing thread.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#9 - 2013-08-06 15:35:50 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.


We are now officially in a EVE is dieing thread.

I thought this was a 'Nerf Nul' thread..?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2013-08-06 15:38:00 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.


We are now officially in a EVE is dieing thread.

I thought this was a 'Nerf Nul' thread..?

It's not a nerf ISboxer or bad pun thread?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-08-06 16:05:17 UTC
DEATH TO SUPERS THREAD!

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Othran
Route One
#12 - 2013-08-06 16:10:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.


Unofficial alliances were around pretty much from the start - Venal, Stain and Curse all had "alliances" in place by June 2003.

I wasn't on the beta but from what I'm told there were requests for "treaties" (AKA alliances) even then so I'm not sure it counts as "emergent gameplay" Blink
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2013-08-06 16:12:49 UTC
Nerf news reporting of space pixel fights thread#...... 1?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#14 - 2013-08-06 16:13:10 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.


I'm posting to inform you that your use of the term "sheeple" has exceeded the universal limits of being edgy and unique.

From this point onward, anyone using the therm "sheeple" is now just another member of the flock, following the lead of actual creative and rebellious leaders.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2013-08-06 16:13:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.

Good thing we have coalitions now.

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Myra Faye
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-06 16:22:04 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
If CCP only caters to the blobs for a little bit of e-fame, they will soon see their game crashing down after the sheeple who joined cuz of a story they heard get bored and go play star citizen.


"IF CCP continues to do the thing that has worked for 10 years, it might only work for another 10 or so!!!!"
Myra Faye
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-08-06 16:23:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.


Absolute bunk. Just because the feature wasn't implemented in V1 doesn't mean it wasn't planned for.

Player-owned structures, sovereignty, large alliances, etc. these were all imagined and planned for long before they were implemented in the game.

"Emergent activity that was unforeseen" lol.
Spurty
#18 - 2013-08-06 16:25:57 UTC
The numbers for Max corp / Alliance size are quite insane.

How the players reacted inversely sane (jump on that before it gets corrected).

Cats out the bag now :-)

Only feasible area of change would be imposing limits / taxing blue lists (or hey, what players originally asked for, treaties which you could put limits on).

Wouldn't hold your breath though. The few [max of 5?] that it would destroy are the ones that shout the loudest.

If I was the designer here, I'd force proximity to founder to be a factor. Corp founder lives in nul, but you live in high? OH well always noob corp to log into.

I'm not actually bad, just evil and like the "stick two people In a closest" analogy.




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Myra Faye
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-06 16:30:30 UTC
Spurty wrote:

If I was the designer here, I'd force proximity to founder to be a factor.


Well, let's all be glad you're not.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2013-08-06 16:31:44 UTC
Othran wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
In short nope, there never used to be an alliance mechanism, when people formed unofficial alliances, CCP implemented the current system to officially facilitate what players were already doing, alliances were an emergent activity that was unforeseen and then recognised as a good thing.


Unofficial alliances were around pretty much from the start - Venal, Stain and Curse all had "alliances" in place by June 2003.

I wasn't on the beta but from what I'm told there were requests for "treaties" (AKA alliances) even then so I'm not sure it counts as "emergent gameplay" Blink

Emergent may have been the wrong word, although it usually applies to stuff that wasn't foreseen by the designers, creative may be a better word to use.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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