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Open letter to CCP about their recent mistakes.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#21 - 2011-11-11 01:51:15 UTC
Either way adapt or shrivel I guess is how a scammer dies.

Real scammers know there is a fool born every minute.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#22 - 2011-11-11 01:52:30 UTC
and dont complain about me making edits again I usually think in short fragments at times as Im all over the place.

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#23 - 2011-11-11 01:56:30 UTC
I wasn't complaining I just said nice edits !
But hey 4 posts in a row is good too xD
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-11-11 01:57:16 UTC
actually five.
Cunane Jeran
#25 - 2011-11-11 02:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cunane Jeran
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Cunane Jeran wrote:
How is this even a problem? Recuitment gives newbies a degree of safety to find a corp, as not everyone is aware of just how evil we all are (they will learn do, they all do) and there is nothing to stop you recruitment scam in personal chats and private channels.


That's the thing according to this rule if you originally met them in recruitment channel you're not allowed to scam them, at all, including in personal chats and private channels.
They can always petition and cry to a GM who will have to waste his time investigating.


Just theory here, not something I would do but is there nothing stopping you ghosting in the recruitment channel on a trail account, and then contacting a potential victim with your main, pretending to be a random inquiry. Nothing shows on the chat logs for the meeting, and your character hasn't been in recruitment.
Jack All'Trade
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-11-11 02:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack All'Trade
i herd they's gonna be a celebrety in dis mofo.

who is it and can he autograph my chestesses?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#27 - 2011-11-11 02:04:19 UTC
Making the rule even more pointless, doesn't really matter how easily circumvented it is - still going to cause a considerable amount of frivolous petitions that'll waste GM time that could be better spent on things that actually matter.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#28 - 2011-11-11 02:06:47 UTC
Next up:

Hardcores discover you can't baitcan noobs in starter systems.....

"WTF!! YOu're RUIninG thE EVe!!!"

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#29 - 2011-11-11 02:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
More comparable would be a ban on advertising in starter system local to get people to come to low sec so you can blow them up there.

P. sure I'm not a "hardcores" btw, unless that's some kind of code for people more suited to EVE than WoW
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#30 - 2011-11-11 05:21:49 UTC
They're just making scammers work for once instead of being lazy that's all I see in it.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#31 - 2011-11-11 05:42:57 UTC
I agree with the bold part in the quote. Plenty of other places to find people to scam

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-11-11 05:49:57 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=344379#post344379

Zagdul wrote:
If CCP took steps to protect people from being scammed (more than they already have) by their own stupidity, I think EVE would lose it's player base that keeps people logging in. EVE's allure is primarily based on it's devious nature and high drama. Scamming adds to that drama in such a drastic way that I believe EVE would die faster by if there were rules against it.

You can chose to be a scammer in EVE or you can chose to follow the path of e-bushido and find ways to white knight the dumb. It's entirely up to you and is why EVE continues to be one of the ONLY MMO's on the market with a steady increase of subs each year.

Ruin the sandbox and you ruin the game. In the end, you'll lose more players than you retain. If CCP wants to work on retention, they need to keep developing the new player experience and providing insta-gratification carrots for people with newer accounts. The main thing that keeps people in this game sure aren't the game mechanics... It's seeing a pilot who's been playing for a couple years undock in an awesome ship that puts the sparkle in your eye for something to work towards. This or epic fleet fights or large wars in null sec. Guess who's running much of the scams and those epic fleet fights... the scammers and veterans who came to EVE because it allows for the choice to participate in such behavior.

If you make the game less fun for the people who fly the big shinies, you'll have far less player retention than the game has now because newbies will have less to look forward to.



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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#33 - 2011-11-11 09:28:26 UTC
Word.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#34 - 2011-11-11 09:45:10 UTC
Some food for discussion:

1. Is it considered a bad thing if the official recruitment channel itself is considered a scam free zone? Given that there's no wider ban against tricking people with recruitment offers elsewhere?
2. Does this take from the free form, fend-for-yourself, nature of EVE any more than let's say...the ban on character trade scams in the Character Bazaar forum or the sanctions against harvesting n00b tears in starter systems with free stuff?

I'm not taking a stance on this topic, only trying to help those who make these decisions better understand your views on these matters.

I can tell you that the sandbox is sacred in our minds here at CCP, but that there is also an understanding that sometimes, lines need to be drawn around certain limited areas for the overall good of the game. My feeling is that most would probably agree with that statement, although I'm sure there are also those who feel that CCP should maintain a complete hands off approach.

Let's discuss.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-11-11 09:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
Hands off CCP.

New player joins eve.

New player gets scammed ( doesn't matter where )

New player realizes it and says something, either in local, or help, or perhaps corp chat, after they find a real one.

Old players will rapidly give advice, share their own painful newb stories, and very very often dump far more isk into their wallet then they ever could've been scammed for.

Sure there may be times when a player just immediately rage-quits without saying a word, but frankly if someone does this, then 1 of 2 things are likely true. 1. They'll be back when they calm down, and all of the above will apply, just being delayed by rage. or 2. they will not like eve and they saved themselves a whole bunch of time by finding out early.

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  • Qolde
Spacing Cowboy
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-11-11 09:55:33 UTC
Keep the real nubs secure from scams until they learn in ( a corp? ) that they can be scammed and sadomised by other players.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-11-11 10:02:10 UTC

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2011-11-11 10:03:28 UTC
Please do not create multiple threads about the same topic, thank you.

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