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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2013-08-06 03:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
If multi-boxing was a built-in feature of EVE Online, and a third party software improved the UI of the existing feature, giving a player a better arrangement of the controls to operate the existing in-game feature. Then you win your argument. In fact, there is no argument. Lots of software companies make 3rd party UI apps that change the aesthetics or rearrange the UI to improve playability - WITHOUT ADDING FEATURES not existing in the games for which the 3rd party software was made.

This is not the case, here. The reality is, you must ADD this capability through 3rd party software. An edge is gained over other players that do not have this 3rd party software - either because of hardware limitations or budget constraints - to use this third party feature. While a player can multi-box manually, that player has to tab between individual accounts to access the game's existing UI to do this. There is no built-in multi-box UI control feature in the game.

The result is, that users of this 3rd party software gain an advantage over other players because of the uneven availability of the added feature.

If a player could log on multiple alts at the same time, as well as onto multiple accounts, then the budget constraint is lifted and there is no P2Win argument. As for the hardware limitations... The hardware and OS requirements, listed on the retail box or in the website, would be adjusted to reflect what is needed to play the game, successfully, with ALL of it's features.

None of those conditions are met, therefore, the added edge over other players is real. A manual multi-boxer has an advantage over a single-boxer (albeit, depending on skill and experience), and a 3rd party software multi-boxer has the advantage over all players. He has the advantage that his bots obey his commands with a precision and speed that cannot be matched by a fleet of individual players, or a manual multi-boxer.

If you can provide links that demonstrate that top of the line 3rd party multi-box software commit mistakes on purpose in order to keep things convincing, provide it. However, that only means that players will flock to the bottom rung software, because it is very precise and makes no mistakes.

It is said that
Quote:
3rd party software is 100% required to multi-box.
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#242 - 2013-08-06 03:48:04 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
If multi-boxing was a built-in feature of EVE Online, and a third party software improved the UI of the existing feature, giving a player a better arrangement of the controls to operate the existing in-game feature. Then you win your argument. In fact, there is no argument. Lots of software companies make 3rd party UI apps that change the aesthetics or rearrange the UI to improve playability - WITHOUT ADDING FEATURES not existing in the games for which the 3rd party software was made.

This is not the case, here. The reality is, you must ADD this capability through 3rd party software. An edge is gained over other players that do not have this 3rd party software - either because of hardware limitations or budget constraints - to use this third party feature. While a player can multi-box manually, that player has to tab between individual accounts to access the game's existing UI to do this. There is no built-in multi-box UI control feature in the game.

The result is, that users of this 3rd party software gain an advantage over other players because of the uneven availability of the added feature.

If a player could log on multiple alts at the same time, as well as onto multiple accounts, then the budget constraint is lifted and there is no P2Win argument. As for the hardware limitations... The hardware and OS requirements, listed on the retail box or in the website, would be adjusted to reflect what is needed to play the game, successfully, with ALL of it's features.

None of those conditions are met, therefore, the added edge over other players is real. A manual multi-boxer has an advantage over a single-boxer (albeit, depending on skill and experience), and a 3rd party software multi-boxer has the advantage over all players. He has the advantage that his bots obey his commands with a precision and speed that cannot be matched by a fleet of individual players, or a manual multi-boxer.


You can repeat this as many times as you like, but CCP doesn't agree with you & that stance hasn't changed over the course of the last 50 or so threads on this subject.

Inokuma Yawara wrote:
If you can provide links that demonstrate that top of the line 3rd party multi-box software commit mistakes on purpose in order to keep things convincing, provide it. However, that only means that players will flock to the bottom rung software, because it is very precise and makes no mistakes.


So far you've failed to provide any evidence of your claim that multiboxing software suddenly turns someone into a gaming superstar that has a zero percent chance of making a mistake

Inokuma Yawara wrote:
It is said that
Quote:
3rd party software is 100% required to multi-box.
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.


EVEmon, Garpa & all of the other wonderful 3rd party programs give me an advantage over players that don't use them. Will you label those people as botters aswell? How about CCP just ban everyone that has ever used a 3rd party program.


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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#243 - 2013-08-06 03:57:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
If multi-boxing was a built-in feature of EVE Online, and a third party software improved the UI of the existing feature, giving a player a better arrangement of the controls to operate the existing in-game feature. Then you win your argument. In fact, there is no argument. Lots of software companies make 3rd party UI apps that change the aesthetics or rearrange the UI to improve playability - WITHOUT ADDING FEATURES not existing in the games for which the 3rd party software was made.

This is not the case, here. The reality is, you must ADD this capability through 3rd party software. An edge is gained over other players that do not have this 3rd party software - either because of hardware limitations or budget constraints - to use this third party feature. While a player can multi-box manually, that player has to tab between individual accounts to access the game's existing UI to do this. There is no built-in multi-box UI control feature in the game.

The result is, that users of this 3rd party software gain an advantage over other players because of the uneven availability of the added feature.

If a player could log on multiple alts at the same time, as well as onto multiple accounts, then the budget constraint is lifted and there is no P2Win argument. As for the hardware limitations... The hardware and OS requirements, listed on the retail box or in the website, would be adjusted to reflect what is needed to play the game, successfully, with ALL of it's features.

None of those conditions are met, therefore, the added edge over other players is real. A manual multi-boxer has an advantage over a single-boxer (albeit, depending on skill and experience), and a 3rd party software multi-boxer has the advantage over all players. He has the advantage that his bots obey his commands with a precision and speed that cannot be matched by a fleet of individual players, or a manual multi-boxer.


You can repeat this as many times as you like, but CCP doesn't agree with you & that stance hasn't changed over the course of the last 50 or so threads on this subject.

Inokuma Yawara wrote:
If you can provide links that demonstrate that top of the line 3rd party multi-box software commit mistakes on purpose in order to keep things convincing, provide it. However, that only means that players will flock to the bottom rung software, because it is very precise and makes no mistakes.


So far you've failed to provide any evidence of your claim that multiboxing software suddenly turns someone into a gaming superstar that has a zero percent chance of making a mistake

Inokuma Yawara wrote:
It is said that
Quote:
3rd party software is 100% required to multi-box.
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.


EVEmon, Garpa & all of the other wonderful 3rd party programs give me an advantage over players that don't use them. Will you label those people as botters aswell? How about CCP just ban everyone that has ever used a 3rd party program.


*shrugs shoulders* O.K.

*Logs on to Crunchyroll to watch Attack on Titan.*

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#244 - 2013-08-06 04:01:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
EVEmon, Garpa & all of the other wonderful 3rd party programs give me an advantage over players that don't use them. Will you label those people as botters aswell? How about CCP just ban everyone that has ever used a 3rd party program.

Ban all of nullsec.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#245 - 2013-08-06 04:04:35 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
EVEmon, Garpa & all of the other wonderful 3rd party programs give me an advantage over players that don't use them. Will you label those people as botters aswell? How about CCP just ban everyone that has ever used a 3rd party program.

Ban all of nullsec.


More like unplug the server and be done with it. The vast majority of the playerbase use 3rd party software. EVEmon + EFT/Pyfa probably ban a good 80% of the complete playerbase.

EVE would be be dead.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#246 - 2013-08-06 04:20:43 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
EVEmon, Garpa & all of the other wonderful 3rd party programs give me an advantage over players that don't use them. Will you label those people as botters aswell? How about CCP just ban everyone that has ever used a 3rd party program.

Ban all of nullsec.

More like unplug the server and be done with it. The vast majority of the playerbase use 3rd party software. EVEmon + EFT/Pyfa probably ban a good 80% of the complete playerbase.

EVE would be be dead.

Ban the goons first, fyi.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#247 - 2013-08-06 04:37:07 UTC
Quote:
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.


So, you can run Eve without an operating system. ******* amazing.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#248 - 2013-08-06 05:35:36 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.

So, you can run Eve without an operating system. ******* amazing.

Apparently they use a specially approved EVE Online (tm) computer.

Like a console, but only plays eve online, it's that hardcore. And DUST514 maybe.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#249 - 2013-08-06 05:38:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
However, I've been reading posts that say otherwise, but if it is true that one cannot multi-box without 3rd party software, then it makes the argument, that some players have a greater advantage over other players, when using such software, even more valid.

So, you can run Eve without an operating system. ******* amazing.

Apparently they use a specially approved EVE Online (tm) computer.

Like a console, but only plays eve online, it's that hardcore. And DUST514 maybe.


I'm pretty sure nobody plays Dust 514.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#250 - 2013-08-06 05:57:56 UTC
To the guys who are crying, trolling and trying to make me or others look like idiots here:

If CCP will allow it in the future, and you are so sure, why are you here crying, why are you so afraid guys?

You don't need to defend your opinion right? Because it's allowed and will be.
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2013-08-06 06:07:30 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
All this isboxer rage.

it's getting at the same level of ECM rage.

it has it's own schedule too! once a month!


I think you can't compare the two.

well, thanks you, good sir, we can now compare it.


Raging about an ewar module which is a PART OF THE GAME is not like raging about a 3RD PARTY software, which shouldn't affect the game.


exactly
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#252 - 2013-08-06 06:10:06 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Roime wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.


He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.




Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..


I dont understand if this is a troll or you are really serious, if is the later I feel bad for youUgh
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#253 - 2013-08-06 06:32:41 UTC
Cpt Arareb wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Roime wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.


He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.




Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..


I dont understand if this is a troll or you are really serious, if is the later I feel bad for youUgh

What, there are computers that can't run 4 instances of EVE Online at the lowest settings? What are we coming to.

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#254 - 2013-08-06 08:28:00 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
To the guys who are crying, trolling and trying to make me or others look like idiots here:

If CCP will allow it in the future, and you are so sure, why are you here crying, why are you so afraid guys?

You don't need to defend your opinion right? Because it's allowed and will be.



This is your best post by far! You sure don't need anybody else to make you look like an idiot.
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2013-08-06 08:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Spankijs Omaristos
Inokuma Yawara wrote:




If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.

If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.



1. You talk about edge others do not have? How about you just buy that Isboxer? Ohh, its expensive n sht you say? Its a measly 4$/mo. Or are you so dumb/lazy and can't figure out how to configure it?

2. Why the hell it should be a built in feature? You want everything for free don't you?

3. Perfect control of the fleet? You serious? Do you even know how ISboxer works and how easy is to fck up? For example, half of fleet targeting wrong crap n stuff?
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#256 - 2013-08-06 08:42:20 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
...



If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.

If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.



1. You talk about edge others do not have? How about you just buy that Isboxer? Ohh, its expensive n sht you say? Its a measly 4$/mo. Or are you so dumb/lazy and can't figure out how to configure it?

2. Why the hell it should be a built in feature? You want everything for free don't you?

3. Perfect control of the fleet? You serious? Do you even know how ISboxer works and how easy is to fck up? For example, half of fleet targeting wrong crap n stuff?[/quote]

I don't know exactly how it works, becaue I never used it, but you seem pretty experienced with it. U have a mining horde too??
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2013-08-06 08:53:29 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
...



If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.

If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.



1. You talk about edge others do not have? How about you just buy that Isboxer? Ohh, its expensive n sht you say? Its a measly 4$/mo. Or are you so dumb/lazy and can't figure out how to configure it?

2. Why the hell it should be a built in feature? You want everything for free don't you?

3. Perfect control of the fleet? You serious? Do you even know how ISboxer works and how easy is to fck up? For example, half of fleet targeting wrong crap n stuff?


I don't know exactly how it works, becaue I never used it, but you seem pretty experienced with it. U have a mining horde too??[/quote]


No I do not.
But I do have alts, and ISboxer is giving you 7day free trial to test everything out, gives shtloads of info how to make everything work.

So Instead of bitching, maybe you should try it out... you claim that you have 15 alts - go ahead, 7 days free for 1 mans local spike :D
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#258 - 2013-08-06 09:01:54 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
...



If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.

If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.



1. You talk about edge others do not have? How about you just buy that Isboxer? Ohh, its expensive n sht you say? Its a measly 4$/mo. Or are you so dumb/lazy and can't figure out how to configure it?

2. Why the hell it should be a built in feature? You want everything for free don't you?

3. Perfect control of the fleet? You serious? Do you even know how ISboxer works and how easy is to fck up? For example, half of fleet targeting wrong crap n stuff?


I don't know exactly how it works, becaue I never used it, but you seem pretty experienced with it. U have a mining horde too??



No I do not.
But I do have alts, and ISboxer is giving you 7day free trial to test everything out, gives shtloads of info how to make everything work.

So Instead of bitching, maybe you should try it out... you claim that you have 15 alts - go ahead, 7 days free for 1 mans local spike :D[/quote]

I never tried to cheat in any game, so no thanks.
Spankijs Omaristos
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#259 - 2013-08-06 09:10:06 UTC
Cheat? Really!? /Facepalm

Just stop crying, ISboxer will stay legal. Nothing is going to change. End of story.
(Even stubborn Blizzard is alowing it lol)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#260 - 2013-08-06 09:14:59 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I never tried to cheat in any game, so no thanks.


No one has managed to explicitly describe how using ISboxer is cheating.

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