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Ceberus is the new Talwar: Post 1.1 Fit Discussion

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-08-04 21:38:20 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:

But then, caracal does nearly the same for a whole less isk, and training for a cerb takes forever so i dont think we will see many cerb fleets.



There are eleventy billion Tengu pilots running around in 0.0
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-08-04 21:40:16 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Am I the only one thoroughly disgusted by how basically all PvP is degenerating into figuring out what blob composition you need to insta-pop your targets at the greatest possible range? Your Cerb with RLMs does half the damage HMLs used to do, oh well, I guess that means we just need to make our blob twice the size!


Well you can get 800+ DPS with HAMs if that's what you want.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-04 21:40:53 UTC
You can get into a good fit tengu faster then into a hav V cerb.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-08-04 21:45:56 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
You can get into a good fit tengu faster then into a hav V cerb.


I'm not so sure about that, Tengu has really low fitting stats and capacitor so you need a lot more in support skills to make the good fits work. Even just counting only the skills needed to undock the ship, five subsystems to V and shield operation to V is exactly the same amount of SP as HAC to V.
Whitehound
#25 - 2013-08-04 23:11:04 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
You can get into a good fit tengu faster then into a hav V cerb.


I'm not so sure about that, Tengu has really low fitting stats and capacitor so you need a lot more in support skills to make the good fits work. Even just counting only the skills needed to undock the ship, five subsystems to V and shield operation to V is exactly the same amount of SP as HAC to V.

One can lose three HACs in one day and still have the same skills the next day to do it all again.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2013-08-05 12:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
You can get into a good fit tengu faster then into a hav V cerb.


Yeah 256k SP less. Whoop de doo, especially if you have to retrain 216k of those every time you die.

And HAC V also works for the other 7 HACs; the Tengu sub skills don't work for the other T3s.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-08-05 13:32:50 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
You can get into a good fit tengu faster then into a hav V cerb.


Not when you factor in retrains everytime you lose a T3, that is three to five days EVERY lost hull, and you can't bail out anymore.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-08-05 15:21:57 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
The only people who are going to put an AB on the Cerb are PvEers.



[Cerberus, Cerb 1.1 Odd]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II

100MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II
Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II



Fits easy with Odyssey 1.1.
Capstable with hardeners off, 2 minutes of caplife with hardeners on with CURRENT capacitor stats. Will be even better with 1.1.
50K EHP heated.
1289m/s with CURRENT mobility. A lot faster with 1.1.
282 DPS with Caldari Navy Scourge over 94.9 km. Light Missiles. You know, like, 280 of these dps will get applied onto anything.
160m Signature.
Tech II rigs? Tech II rigs.


New substitute for Drake / Tengu blobs?

Maybe.


We will see.


Why bother with oversized ABs when the MWD sig bonus means they'll be faster, easier to fit, more maneuverable and get better damage mitigation with MWDs?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Whitehound
#29 - 2013-08-05 16:37:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Why bother with oversized ABs when the MWD sig bonus means they'll be faster, easier to fit, more maneuverable and get better damage mitigation with MWDs?

It will not be significantly faster with an MWD, but the signature will be. Manoeuvrability is less of an issue for missile ships, because they do not have to watch their tracking. For most cases will the bonus with MWD do just fine, but if it is against slowcats or battleships then a 100MN AB will likely be better than an MWD.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-08-05 16:48:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Why bother with oversized ABs when the MWD sig bonus means they'll be faster, easier to fit, more maneuverable and get better damage mitigation with MWDs?

It will not be significantly faster with an MWD, but the signature will be. Manoeuvrability is less of an issue for missile ships, because they do not have to watch their tracking. For most cases will the bonus with MWD do just fine, but if it is against slowcats or battleships then a 100MN AB will likely be better than an MWD.


They still have to GTFO, particularly HACs.

No way in hell I would run 100mn
Ginger Barbarella
#31 - 2013-08-05 17:11:56 UTC
1/10, OP. You had me past the first sentence, so your troll worked on me at least.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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