Player Features and Ideas Discussion

curse : Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level

pilgrim : Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount and 20% reduction in CPU need for cloaking devices per level.


so what were you saying again?

Curse: level V thats a 37km t1 med neut. large neut is 75km.......
Pilgrim : level V is a 12.6km medium and a 25.2km large neut.

Think its fleet bonuses, so lach and huginn range can be further extended while curse can't

Not even the Pilgrim can neut the point of the ship that is pointing it. It doesn't get even T1 point range on its neuts. It doesn't get near T2 point range, and it is at best at half of faction point range. When you start getting Loki boosted and bonused points, it has no chance of neuting the point off of it.

Perhaps if it had, I don't know, a range bonus? Then it might be able to neut a point off. Then it might be capable of being useful in fleets aside from being a glass cannon that has to ignore most of its bonuses and sit back tracking disrupting because it can't bloody well neut anything. And if it is neuting something, it's close enough for the gang to blap it.

Unless of course you're assuming that the only thing that will ever point you is close range full tackle. Heaven forbid if you're getting hit by something with a bonused scram, or a Loki boosted enemy. How about that Loki boosted Arazu with his 40km overheated scrams with his buddy with his not even overheated 60km webs.

Oh, and if a Lachiesis is getting pointed, it just puts webs on the offending ship. 40km webs. Or longer. Even over 100km webs, under correct circumstances if need be. Arazu? Points at over 100 (also given correct circumstances). The Falcon? Jams off the point with a minimum OPTIMAL of 29km (multispectral) or 43km (racial jammer). The Pilgrim? Oh yeah, just feels sad about its 15km maximum neut range.

I have to agree every other recon gets a bonus to range on some type of effect except the pilgrim. Being able to fly mutiple recons I know it can suck to fly the pilgrim. I love its effect but unlike all the others it is forced to close between 10-15km just to use those effects where if I am in my arazu or rapier I can web/point you at 40kms+. It already gets less tank than the curse so how would it be so op when in my opinion it is one of the least underpowered recons. It really does need a buff its range doesn't have to equal the curse but it still should be more on par with the other recons.

pilgrim is ******* awesome!!

use the other FRs to herd the target in to you un-cloak when they hit 15km and lock/point/neut its dead.
works vary well against nano ships

you don't necessarily have to play the pilgrim card in your first turn.

The following post is not intended to be offensive. It is merely summing up the last 4 pages of this thread in a nice bundle so people will hopefully stop wasting their time posting here:

You all are arguing with uyguhb. uyguhb, despite his admirable tenacity, is clueless when it comes to balancing ships and racial bonuses in Eve. If you read through the thread you can see just how many ill-thought out questions uyguhb has asked that have been answered correctly. Despite all of the effort to help uyguhb understand how ships are balanced he still asks the same ill-thought out questions and has absorbed nothing of the past few pages attempt to educate him.

His last post contained two questions that have been answered several times in this thread. He doesn't understand how balanced Tech 3 logi is when he asked for a buff in his last post. He also doesn't understand that there are reasons you can't bring a sentinel/curse/bhaalgorn on a BlOps drop. Feel free to scan this thread for many, many more gems clearly demonstrating his lack of understanding. Frankly, I am not surprised he refuses to post with his main. I would be embarrassed to do so if I were him too.

Do yourselves and uyguhb a favor and stop posing in this thread so that it can die the death it needs to because this change will never happen. Then you can enjoy the time you would have wasted arguing a pointless argument and do something productive. Perhaps someone will take uyguhb aside and spend some time helping his understand just how ships are balanced in Eve.

Again, I don't intend to be offensive. Just some well deserved tough love. Feel free to convo me in game if you are offended by this and we can talk it out. I am just helping people understand this thread and helping this thread find its place in the "locked because no one has posted in in for several months" sections of F&I.

Aliventi <3

Its not opinion the pilgrim is the best solo force recon. so please feel free to explain why i need a covert ops cloak on a solo brawler?

if i wanted to solo fight i would bring a curse and not hide with a cloak.

If i want to apply heavy neuting for blops i bring a legion thats alot better at it with alot more tank. and has interdiction subs :P

Wouldn't it be cool if force recons got a cyno nullifier roll bonus. As in say a cyno can't be lit within 10k of a force recon. Would keep people from complaining about hot drops and force recon engagement range.