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Kubla-Kahn
Purple Gang
#1 - 2013-08-01 19:59:16 UTC
So, I have been running around in low sec a bit of late in T1 and T2 frigs. I typically only run either an ENAM, DCU and possibly a hardener for any holes and a repper. After a recent encounter where, had I had a bit of buffer I could have crashed a gate, I am considering needing a bit of buffer.

Should I consider dropping in a plate, with the ENAM and repper for these occasions?

I get I will lose some speed and the repper will have to work harder, but might it provide a needed increase in survivability?
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-08-01 20:09:40 UTC
Not knowing what ship you are flying. Nor knowing the whole fit tends to limit advice.

I prefer to have buffer fit no matter what..Not a fan of active tanks for pvp. (Others will swear by them)
Kubla-Kahn
Purple Gang
#3 - 2013-08-01 20:28:12 UTC
I did not post fits due to the variable frigs I fly. but lets take one for example - the Wolf.

so obligatory highs, proally a T2 Nos, scram in the mid and I typically run an MWD.

So lows tend to be a hardner or ENAM repper and a DCU, the rest will be damage mods, with the buffer fit I went for more tank with a 400 plate, ENAM, SAAR and a DCU.

rRigs are damage only
Whitehound
#4 - 2013-08-01 21:01:45 UTC
When you fit a 400mm plate will you lose a lot of PG and also a fair amount of speed and gain inertia. Perhaps first try to fit a Reactive Armor Hardener instead. If this is not enough tank might you want to get into a bigger ship.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Kubla-Kahn
Purple Gang
#5 - 2013-08-01 21:14:55 UTC
I have not yet tried the RAH. Tank is typically only an issue when I need to crash a gate. Course, come to think of it I had an AB fit that time and not an MWD.
Nihassa
RvB Industries
#6 - 2013-08-02 22:25:00 UTC
Personally I find frig hulls do really well with both repper and buffer.
You need the buffer to get into a situation where the reps can start to count and you need the repper to keep you in the fight. On the wolf i'd use rigs to plug the resist hole and stick a 200mm plate, possibly even lose eanm for gyro.

I'd recommend not going anything below a 200mm as you wont even notice it! - 400mm is great if you can fit it, but like whitehound mentioned it really takes it out of your pg, so you'd be downgrading guns or losing the repper.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-08-03 03:01:43 UTC
I believe (correct me if I am wrong) The nos is one of the cases where the meta4 out performs the T2 variant. Or was it same output is the same but fitting easier?
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-03 07:29:07 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
When you fit a 400mm plate will you lose a lot of PG and also a fair amount of speed and gain inertia. Perhaps first try to fit a Reactive Armor Hardener instead. If this is not enough tank might you want to get into a bigger ship.

Whitehound continues to troll S&M.

Don't put a RAH on a frigate. You won't have the cap to use it, and its effect is only valuable if it's backed up with a large buffer to begin with.
Whitehound
#9 - 2013-08-03 07:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Gorn Arming wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
When you fit a 400mm plate will you lose a lot of PG and also a fair amount of speed and gain inertia. Perhaps first try to fit a Reactive Armor Hardener instead. If this is not enough tank might you want to get into a bigger ship.

Whitehound continues to troll S&M.

Don't put a RAH on a frigate. You won't have the cap to use it, and its effect is only valuable if it's backed up with a large buffer to begin with.

He uses a vampire and an AAR and asked for options.

What do you have to contribute to the discussion besides ship toasting? Nothing...

Here is an example of a frigate with RAH just so you have seen one:

[Retribution]

Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Reactive Armor Hardener
Corpii A-Type EM Plating
Corpii A-Type Thermic Plating

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

It is cap stable with the SAAR and MWD turned off. 10.8k eHP total and an additional 5.5k coming from the SAAR (assuming all 15% from the RAH). It has got 6.8k eHP on armor, which gives enough time for the RAH to tune itself and thereby makes the SAAR even more effective. Because it uses no plate does it keep its top speed and inertia and can fit 4 lasers and a vampire.

Considering that one often will try to fight a frigate with light drones will it get hit with a single damage type and causes the RAH to set itself to a 60% against it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Nihassa
RvB Industries
#10 - 2013-08-03 07:57:48 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
I believe (correct me if I am wrong) The nos is one of the cases where the meta4 out performs the T2 variant. Or was it same output is the same but fitting easier?


Same better fitting =)