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Judge Deaf
#1 - 2013-08-01 08:11:58 UTC
So, been afk for few years and now back, but still using the training wheels...so bear with me!!!


So, I have a question : I have opened up few interesting L3 SoE agents (security), but they both
are next (or behind) to 0.4/0.3 systems...with a lot of podkill activity.
I am still absolutely in no position to do PvP yet, my skills, IRL and in game are...well...lacking to least
to say.

So, is there any point of going to the agent and try to run missions if s/he keeps sending you to 0.4 and lower
every other mission? What kind of experiences have you had, what is the ratio between high/low in similar cases?
What is the average range for agent missions, tried to look up if there is some kind of correlation between
agent level - missions - jumps.



All pointers would be appreciated!
JonnyRandom
#2 - 2013-08-01 13:48:48 UTC
I haven't done missions in years, but from what I remember the quality of the agent affects where the mission will take place. So a crappy quality agent will likely often send you a few systems away, whereas a high quality agent will give you missions in the same system or just 1 jump away.

I've had to grind through agents that were located on the border of low-sec and it wasn't all that bad. I simply declined missions that sent me to low sec and powered through.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-08-01 14:29:20 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
I haven't done missions in years, but from what I remember the quality of the agent affects where the mission will take place. So a crappy quality agent will likely often send you a few systems away, whereas a high quality agent will give you missions in the same system or just 1 jump away.

I've had to grind through agents that were located on the border of low-sec and it wasn't all that bad. I simply declined missions that sent me to low sec and powered through.


there is no more quality of the agents ... now rewards are bigger when system security is lower .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-01 14:57:40 UTC
Ruvin wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:
I haven't done missions in years, but from what I remember the quality of the agent affects where the mission will take place. So a crappy quality agent will likely often send you a few systems away, whereas a high quality agent will give you missions in the same system or just 1 jump away.

I've had to grind through agents that were located on the border of low-sec and it wasn't all that bad. I simply declined missions that sent me to low sec and powered through.


there is no more quality of the agents ... now rewards are bigger when system security is lower .


Does that also include sec status changes within hi sec (ie, is it more profitable to run lvl4s in a 0.5 system over a 0.9) or does that only apply to low sec vs hi sec?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-08-01 16:17:11 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Ruvin wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:
I haven't done missions in years, but from what I remember the quality of the agent affects where the mission will take place. So a crappy quality agent will likely often send you a few systems away, whereas a high quality agent will give you missions in the same system or just 1 jump away.

I've had to grind through agents that were located on the border of low-sec and it wasn't all that bad. I simply declined missions that sent me to low sec and powered through.


there is no more quality of the agents ... now rewards are bigger when system security is lower .


Does that also include sec status changes within hi sec (ie, is it more profitable to run lvl4s in a 0.5 system over a 0.9) or does that only apply to low sec vs hi sec?

It applies everywhere.

The problem is that most people don't understand that for security missions the mission rewards are not important. For security missions the real pay out is in bounties. Example: l4 angel extravaganza, mission reward is maybe 3 mil, bounties? 14-17 mil. So. I could not care less about mission rewards, it is bounties that pay for my game time.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-08-01 18:54:55 UTC
The LP you get for that in a 0.5 system is probably worth another 7 million.
Judge Deaf
#7 - 2013-08-01 19:03:10 UTC
Ok, so basically it is:

- totally random how far the agent sends you.If you are close to low sec, it is probable that you will get sent
to 0.4 and lower as there is no barrier between low-high sec?

- the rewards are the same in high sec, regardless if you are in 0.9 or 0.5 sec, there is no tougher enemies or
better loot in 0.5 than in 0.9? How about LPs, are they affected by the sec rating as well?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-01 19:40:59 UTC
Judge Deaf wrote:
If you are close to low sec, it is probable that you will get sent to 0.4 and lower as there is no barrier between low-high sec?


Yes. I have an agent in a system adjacent to two lowsec systems and about 1/3-1/4 of the missions are to lowsec. Gets annoying to decline them all.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#9 - 2013-08-01 19:53:00 UTC
Judge Deaf wrote:
- the rewards are the same in high sec, regardless if you are in 0.9 or 0.5 sec, there is no tougher enemies or
better loot in 0.5 than in 0.9? How about LPs, are they affected by the sec rating as well?

Not sure if sec status affects the quality of the NPCs in the missions, but mission reward, bonus, and LP rewards all increase as security decreases.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#10 - 2013-08-01 19:53:17 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
The LP you get for that in a 0.5 system is probably worth another 7 million.


Agreed. LP is a significant amount of your isk production in lvl 4's...and those are higher in .5 systems than .9.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-08-01 20:27:11 UTC
As said, isk rewards and LP rewards are better in the lower sec status's. Best thing to do is find an agent in a 0.5 sec system that is 2 or more jumps from low sec, and yes they exist.
Most people however prefer to be close to the hub's and don't really care, but 10% per sec level in iskies adds up. The LP reward calci is slightly more complex, calculation can be seen here
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-01 20:31:02 UTC
Agents don't necessarily send you far or into losec. I worked an SoE level 4 agent 2 jumps from losec and with most of the same constellation in losec. Most of the time it only sent me 2 or less jumps and only once or twice into losec (both times for the same mission and to the same system, so it must be mission-dependent). I've done this on more than one agent, more than one corporation, and more than one faction. I can't prove it, but I suspect that after they first made the agent changes they got a lot of flack from mission runners getting sent into losec and so they "adjusted" things a bit.

Just try the agent out for a bit and see what happens. In the scenario above, when I got to storyline missions the closest agent was the losec one, but the storyline was always with the next nearest agent, who was in hisec but around 10 jumps away.

Bokononist

 
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#13 - 2013-08-02 00:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
From agent in 0.5 system you'll get the same rewards for doing mission in 0.7 and 0.3 systems so going into 0.3 system from 0.5 agent doesn't worth it.

You might want to find another agent as they tend to offer missions in/behind nearby* low-sec systems quite often.

* "nearby" = next system in this case. Most missions usually located in the same system with the agent or in the next system. If low-sec is 2 jumps away - most likely you'll never get any missions there except for storyline.
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#14 - 2013-08-02 16:31:02 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
The LP you get for that in a 0.5 system is probably worth another 7 million.


if you know how to handle your lp try 20 million ;) (security connections 5 of course)
Judge Deaf
#15 - 2013-08-03 07:25:31 UTC
Thanks guys, appreciated!

Will go and pay visit to the agents soon.
Just have to do a bit more studying if, and when, I bump into pvp´ers in those area.
Take a spin with my alt(s) in the area to see what I might be up to.


Btw, saw a PvP´er with a -10.0 sec status,700mil bounty, in a 0.5 system (a dead end system, closest 0.4 system was 5-6 jumps away)
Judging by the chat he was cruising around and topping some miners there.
How the heck did he manage not only to survive without Concord topping him but managed to do his profession as well?
Dodging the bullet in T2/3 frigate??
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-08-04 19:37:29 UTC
Judge Deaf wrote:



Btw, saw a PvP´er with a -10.0 sec status,700mil bounty, in a 0.5 system (a dead end system, closest 0.4 system was 5-6 jumps away)
Judging by the chat he was cruising around and topping some miners there.
How the heck did he manage not only to survive without Concord topping him but managed to do his profession as well?
Dodging the bullet in T2/3 frigate??


He will run around in a pod and have an alt haul ships for him. Gates and concord don't shoot pod's.
duglas Luven
Hell Forge Industries
#17 - 2013-08-05 07:13:20 UTC
Judge Deaf wrote:
So, been afk for few years and now back, but still using the training wheels...so bear with me!!!


So, I have a question : I have opened up few interesting L3 SoE agents (security), but they both
are next (or behind) to 0.4/0.3 systems...with a lot of podkill activity.
I am still absolutely in no position to do PvP yet, my skills, IRL and in game are...well...lacking to least
to say.

So, is there any point of going to the agent and try to run missions if s/he keeps sending you to 0.4 and lower
every other mission? What kind of experiences have you had, what is the ratio between high/low in similar cases?
What is the average range for agent missions, tried to look up if there is some kind of correlation between
agent level - missions - jumps.



All pointers would be appreciated!




When looking for an Agent take a look at the system as well. If there are low sec systems next to it, you will be sent there. I like agents in .5 with 1 or 2 systems next to it with out them being low sec. If you are in Caldari space give me a holler, I got an offer for you.