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Rookie wants to know: Are all war-decs this boring? Or are D3vil's Childr3n just bad at it?
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Selexim
DNS Requiem
#21 - 2013-07-27 23:48:30 UTC
That alliance is involved in a lot of wars, so why not contact one of the other corps they are fighting against and see about flying along side them.

Litair
Nleesh
#22 - 2013-07-28 00:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Litair
Basically the way EVE works for the most part is.. either you're certain you'll win or you don't fight at all.

This is of course due to the fact that losses hurt quite much in this game compared to other PvP'ish games, but also that we have public killboards on the internet that displays your wins as well as losses, and that's what defines your level of cool and value as a human being.

Jokes aside, it means that it often comes down to one side being the stronger one and on the offensive and the other one hiding and consequently running to avoid stupid losses. A fair and somewhat consensual fight is a very rare thing, but it does happen occasionally.. but mostly in cheap faction warfare :p
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-28 00:18:27 UTC
Litair wrote:
Basically the way EVE works for the most part is.. either you're certain you'll win or you don't fight at all.


That is how noobs think. There are plenty of corps that enjoy fighting against the odds and alot of the time they don't end up winning.
Litair
Nleesh
#24 - 2013-07-28 00:24:09 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Litair wrote:
Basically the way EVE works for the most part is.. either you're certain you'll win or you don't fight at all.


That is how noobs think. There are plenty of corps that enjoy fighting against the odds and alot of the time they don't end up winning.


If you by noobs mean the vast majority of the population, then yes.. but sure there are some people that don't mind a challenge, thankfully.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-07-28 00:27:36 UTC
Litair wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Litair wrote:
Basically the way EVE works for the most part is.. either you're certain you'll win or you don't fight at all.


That is how noobs think. There are plenty of corps that enjoy fighting against the odds and alot of the time they don't end up winning.


If you by noobs mean the vast majority of the population, then yes.. but sure there are some people that don't mind a challenge, thankfully.


As in anything, its only the top 5% that are truly good at what they do.
Andrea Griffin
#26 - 2013-07-28 04:48:09 UTC
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We were really excited for a fight. [...] I log in today, we get a small group going, we're out in frigates and you guys have 4 BCs. We can't fight that. So, okay, you're bigger than us. What do you do with all that strength? You can't extort us, we're rookies. You have overwhelming force and nothing to do with it. All it does is make the game boring on both sides.
They're just looking for riskless, easy kills. Typical high sec war dec.

If they were actually good at PvP they would be willing to meet you on a more level playing field - flying frigates and other small ships - and win by a show of skill. Guess that shows how good they really are.

You guys have the right attitude, quite frankly. You're willing to fight, you're just not willing to commit suicide. For Eve rookies that's commendable. I wish you all the best of luck.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#27 - 2013-07-28 13:36:28 UTC
I remember the D3vils Children from when I lived in the verge vendor. I was very new then and bought skill books from the low sec system queletta. They hung out there allot. Hard too get those books but they were a fun group too talk too.

Back on topic though, just swarm with frigs, have a few laughs, get too know these guys. Just because they are a pirate group (at least they were when i interacted with them about a year ago) and just because they war decked you doesn't mean they are not cool dudes

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-07-28 13:59:51 UTC
Your corp description says you are 32 players, yet you say you can only muster about 4-5 players in t1 frigates willing to fight.
Sadly, this is rather typical for highsec corps.
I won't tell you how to lead your corp, but consider this an opportunity to find out who of your corp is truly motivated and willing to fight for it and who is just useless ballast.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Lysus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-07-29 06:25:02 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We were really excited for a fight. [...] I log in today, we get a small group going, we're out in frigates and you guys have 4 BCs. We can't fight that. So, okay, you're bigger than us. What do you do with all that strength? You can't extort us, we're rookies. You have overwhelming force and nothing to do with it. All it does is make the game boring on both sides.
They're just looking for riskless, easy kills. Typical high sec war dec.

If they were actually good at PvP they would be willing to meet you on a more level playing field - flying frigates and other small ships - and win by a show of skill. Guess that shows how good they really are.

You guys have the right attitude, quite frankly. You're willing to fight, you're just not willing to commit suicide. For Eve rookies that's commendable. I wish you all the best of luck.



We have been in frigates and Cruisers. They still won't fight :)
Lysus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-07-29 06:25:53 UTC
Job Valador wrote:
I remember the D3vils Children from when I lived in the verge vendor. I was very new then and bought skill books from the low sec system queletta. They hung out there allot. Hard too get those books but they were a fun group too talk too.

Back on topic though, just swarm with frigs, have a few laughs, get too know these guys. Just because they are a pirate group (at least they were when i interacted with them about a year ago) and just because they war decked you doesn't mean they are not cool dudes



Thank you good sir Big smile
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#31 - 2013-07-29 11:34:21 UTC
Sounds like the normal modus operandi for this type of corporation. It is fairly normal to see your war targets camp a trade hub, as it gives them the ability to dock up and play station games. If you do not own any space-borne assets (POS) they can raid for profit, you can pretty much deduct they are simply in it for cheap kills on inexperienced players. It is up to you how to deal with it, but any CEO worthy of the title should have a protocol ready for war.

You could do logistics via public contracting, and move your pod using fast-aligning, hard-to-catch frigates. Or... temporarily relocate to lowsec. Many war targets will not even follow you outside of hisec. Doing so places them in a situation were other individuals (seperate from the ones they are willing to fight) can attack them. Often the threat of non-consentual PVP is ironically a good way to get them off your back.
Lysus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-07-30 00:18:41 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Sounds like the normal modus operandi for this type of corporation. It is fairly normal to see your war targets camp a trade hub, as it gives them the ability to dock up and play station games. If you do not own any space-borne assets (POS) they can raid for profit, you can pretty much deduct they are simply in it for cheap kills on inexperienced players. It is up to you how to deal with it, but any CEO worthy of the title should have a protocol ready for war.

You could do logistics via public contracting, and move your pod using fast-aligning, hard-to-catch frigates. Or... temporarily relocate to lowsec. Many war targets will not even follow you outside of hisec. Doing so places them in a situation were other individuals (seperate from the ones they are willing to fight) can attack them. Often the threat of non-consentual PVP is ironically a good way to get them off your back.



We are Lowsec pirates Twisted. We are just helping prove the point of Eve that "NO PLACE IS SAFE!"
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-07-30 00:51:19 UTC
yep. hisec wardecs are nothing but gatecamps and station games. they're incredibly boring and the smart corps and alliances stay in null until the war ends. most corps who wardec don't set foot outside hisec.

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#34 - 2013-07-30 00:57:56 UTC
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.



Use a fleet of talwars it can never fail!

Blue
Mars Starforge
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-07-30 04:12:55 UTC
Furthermore,

If you feel that leaving your corporation will save you then you are "dead" wrong.

We have no problem suiciding into your imagined comfort zone in order to destroy your hopes and dreams.


Twisted
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#36 - 2013-07-30 04:30:19 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Mars Starforge wrote:
IT PLACES THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN


If you're going to quote Silence of the Lambs...At least get it right...


so catchy
Rukia Taika
Holey Amarrian Inquisition
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#37 - 2013-07-30 07:57:35 UTC
Mikhem wrote:
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.


Why Aren't you asking for war allies? Allies could cause pressure for your enemies.
Why haven't you placed bounty on your enemies? Bounty could cause pressure for your enemies.


allies are wonderful. but you seems you need to know a few things
1> research your war targets learn what they fly from what they lost or won in.
2> are they in other wars? contact the others your war targets are also engaging in.
3> get on the bat phone and get allies to aid ya in this war.
and the most important one of all
4> Learn how to fight. this is Eve after all. no babies need apply
Zurin Arctus
Trauma Ward
#38 - 2013-07-30 23:21:00 UTC
Karrin Rawlter wrote:
We're a rookie corp in frigates and everyone got excited for BIG FITE. Now there's just one or two of 'em sitting in BCs outside a station. So we can't really mine, and we can't really fight. How boring.


Welcome to EVE! When high sec wars happen between actual political opponents, things can get interesting, but when high-sec "mercs" or wardec extortionists become involved, yes - the whole thing revolves around ganking mining barges and station camping in Vindicators.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#39 - 2013-07-30 23:28:50 UTC
High sec wars are like finding out the super hot girl next door only does the missionary position. Sure its still sex, but really...whats the point?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-07-30 23:41:00 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
High sec wars are like finding out the super hot girl next door only does the missionary position. Sure its still sex, but really...whats the point?


Doesn't matter. Had sex.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."