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Goons Doomsday Event - Recap!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#21 - 2013-07-29 16:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Oh how you hurl words.

And it changes nothing.

But goon pets don't smack as well as their masters. Find something else to do.


All I hurl is the truth.
1. You scored 0 Kills across this campaign.
2. AFK Cloakers can be made and operational within a week.
3. The T1 Cruiser was orbiting at 1k, because I told it to.
4. Most of your kills were cyno alts. It will take more effort to kill better targets.

I'm fully aware it changes nothing, but I'm not aiming to change anything. You guys are the ones claiming you are going to destroy goons, and how goons are suffering under your wrath, so who's hurling what here eh?

Oh no there's that whole pet propaganda bull again! My feelings, so hurt! How will I ever continue to be part of the biggest coalition in the game, and enjoy the fruits of full SRP knowing that you think I'm a pet!
lol. You realise that doesn't really mean anything right? It's propaganda made up by people not understanding how a coalition works in attempts to cause dissension in our ranks. Sometimes I forget that while you've been playing for 7 years, you've got about as much game experience as Harry.

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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#22 - 2013-07-29 16:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
It is actually not our mission statement - and by "our" I mean me & my corp mates, as we all have our own reasons & agenda - to destroy Goons & CFC in a literal sense of the word.

Let me give you an example: Yesterday there were about 4000 ships in that battle between CFC and TEST. Nice pics btw of that cloud of Megas.

Still, that meant about 5% of all logged on players at that time. Even if you count in other big Null Alliances, I think it is quite obvious that there are a lot of High Sec players.

Many of said HS players have been fed lies about what Null Sec is like - either by the great Alliances or by their self-build misconceptions. That is why many cling to that illusion of safety that is HS.

All we do is show them that they are wrong.

Our vision is of a Null Sec that is full of small roaming gangs of Terror Bears, where no "Empire" can live in total peace anymore or blob every small gank, as there will be too many and too much small scale traffic.
We dream of a Null Sec where there is (more) smaller Alliances that actually do not lock their borders, but engage in trade & build a civilisation different from the dictatorships & police states that we currently (mostly) see.

It will be a more diverse, more interesting EVE.

Is that utopic thinking?

Sure. I'll be honest enough to admit that of the people who join the SpaceJunkys channel, there are 70% that talk a lot of brave words, but never follow up on them. We cannot care about those. We cannot help them. They find all kinds of interesting excuses why "they are not ready yet" or "why what we do is stupid and not profitable". (Saw one of those guys in a Retriever mining Trit the other day... Yeah, well... not profitable...)

We care about the 30% that stick with it... Not even necessarily "with us". They stick with the idea. They see for themselves & shrug when they lose a ship and come back.

And over time, there will be more who think like that. Joining a big Alliance is not the only valid playstyle. And fear of losing some pixels is irrational, especially when so easily replaced. Enjoy the bits of space debris and your next Jump Clone's life!

"And you achieve that by shooting Cynos?"

We achieve that by shooting cynos. Where there is no wood, there can be no fire and we lack the firepower to actually get all those station huggers out of Mittanigrad. VFK was a symbol. Nothing more. Nothing less. It showed some people, you can easily get to the main system of Goonswarm and you'll not be insta-popped. You can even have a good time there.

There were also Drake kills, Algos kills, etc. The kills are a side effect - and good training.

Now, I know I'm wasting my time, explaining this again. But, well... who cares...

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Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-07-29 17:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Leafar Nightfall
I agree with absolutely everything Aidan says.

It's kind of depressing to travel through null and see that there is a huge lot of empty space there. You can travel through a lot of systems and not see a single soul, or in others like in VFK just see a bunch of alts hugging their stations.

I'd dare say about 60% of the game is empty. Not "VFK empty" as it was debated in the other thread, but actually empty. Meanwhile other players fight over anomalies and ore in high sec.

Bottom line is: someone lied to those players about the spooky dangers of nullsec. We are just trying to show it to them.

I wouldn't say the event was a complete success in the sense you expect, but it was a success in the fact that we are carebear noobs with cheap fits and low SP (or at least I am), went to VFK, shot something down (anything) and came back alive, even if at the expense of a exaggeratedly playstile. Not much harm was caused for both sides, you can call it a draw, but it's good enough for me.

Pissing someone off while doing that is just a fun side effect Bear



EDIT: Just a side note, I had so much fun when a goon said that he was going to blow up my "delivery package" to Mittanigrad while it contained a Male Exotic Dancer... good luck trying to blow him up pal Lol
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2013-07-29 17:21:23 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
It is actually not our mission statement - and by "our" I mean me & my corp mates, as we all have our own reasons & agenda - to destroy Goons & CFC in a literal sense of the word.

Let me give you an example: Yesterday there were about 4000 ships in that battle between CFC and TEST. Nice pics btw of that cloud of Megas.

Still, that meant about 5% of all logged on players at that time. Even if you count in other big Null Alliances, I think it is quite obvious that there are a lot of High Sec players.

Many of said HS players have been fed lies about what Null Sec is like - either by the great Alliances or by their self-build misconceptions. That is why many cling to that illusion of safety that is HS.

All we do is show them that they are wrong.

Our vision is of a Null Sec that is full of small roaming gangs of Terror Bears, where no "Empire" can live in total peace anymore or blob every small gank, as there will be too many and too much small scale traffic.
We dream of a Null Sec where there is (more) smaller Alliances that actually do not lock their borders, but engage in trade & build a civilisation different from the dictatorships & police states that we currently (mostly) see.

It will be a more diverse, more interesting EVE.

Is that utopic thinking?

Sure. I'll be honest enough to admit that of the people who join the SpaceJunkys channel, there are 70% that talk a lot of brave words, but never follow up on them. We cannot care about those. We cannot help them. They find all kinds of interesting excuses why "they are not ready yet" or "why what we do is stupid and not profitable". (Saw one of those guys in a Retriever mining Trit the other day... Yeah, well... not profitable...)

We care about the 30% that stick with it... Not even necessarily "with us". They stick with the idea. They see for themselves & shrug when they lose a ship and come back.

And over time, there will be more who think like that. Joining a big Alliance is not the only valid playstyle. And fear of losing some pixels is irrational, especially when so easily replaced. Enjoy the bits of space debris and your next Jump Clone's life!

"And you achieve that by shooting Cynos?"

We achieve that by shooting cynos. Where there is no wood, there can be no fire and we lack the firepower to actually get all those station huggers out of Mittanigrad. VFK was a symbol. Nothing more. Nothing less. It showed some people, you can easily get to the main system of Goonswarm and you'll not be insta-popped. You can even have a good time there.

There were also Drake kills, Algos kills, etc. The kills are a side effect - and good training.

Now, I know I'm wasting my time, explaining this again. But, well... who cares...



"Terror Bears"


I LOVE IT!!!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#25 - 2013-07-29 18:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Right well let's address quite a few points here.
1. High sec player count
While high sec player count is high, a lot of the population of high sec is alts. Trade alts and high sec production alts. PI alts, etc. Example: I'm a null sec player. Most of the time I'm logged on to 6 accounts. Of those 2 are in null sec, and 4 will be in high sec. You can't just assume populations and

2. Illusion of a dangerous null sec
Who says this? This is nonsense. It's a well documented fact that null sec is considered safer than low sec and WH space. The only safer place is high sec, which you can't dispute. Sure if you are transporting half a bil of trit in a T1 hauler, you aren't safe in high sec, but then you aren't safe anywhere. You're unlikely to find your Abaddon getting caught by a gate camp though.

3. Achieve that by shooting cynos!
Right, this one you guys seem to keep missing the point on. But here goes: Try watching those cynos. Once the cap jumps in, they self destruct. All you are doing is saving them 2 minutes of wait time. They are disposable alts in disposable ships. CAp pilots need the cyno pilot back in action in a new disposable ship as soon as possible. You help that.

4. A more diverse, more interesting EVE
Except most people won't do what you do. The dying isn't the problem. It's the fact that you have to travel so far every time you get popped, and most of the time you spend cloaked, not earning isk for your shiny ships. Most people will get bored of the cloaked camper lifestyle quick, that's why they do it with non-combat alts.

You guys seem to have pulled the ideas of nullsec out of nowhere. Harry has proven time and time again that he has no clue what is going on, and you guys listen to everything he says like it's gospel. You can feel free to play the game however you want, but if you keep making threads about it being "Goon Doomsday" and saying have the goons are suffering, and bestowing upon yourselves the title "King of high sec", then expect to get reamed out on here. Honestly, we couldn't care less if you want to travel 20 jumps to come sit in a destroyer in our space, least of which VFK.

At the end of the day, all you guys did was come down, speed up some cyno kills, give Joe something to do while he was in 10% tidi on his Op, and once again show that Harry is immature and unable to form a coherent rageless sentence. High sec bears won't be going "20 jumps in a destroyer through null sec to sit at goon HQ for hours waiting for another cyno to undock? SIGN ME UP!".

Leafar Nightfall: I did blow up your cargo container with your dancer in it. So thanks for the good luck I suppose. Oh, and I'm not a goon.

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Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-07-29 18:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Leafar Nightfall
Lucas Kell wrote:
Right well let's address quite a few points here.
Leafar Nightfall: I did blow up your cargo container with your dancer in it. So thanks for the good luck I suppose. Oh, and I'm not a goon.


So you blew a male dancer huh? Hope you two had fun Cool

And don't feed me with your lies goon: you're sitting at VFK, you're a goon, no matter what you or your employment history says Pirate
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#27 - 2013-07-29 18:34:39 UTC
Quote:
Right well let's address quite a few points here.
1. High sec player count
While high sec player count is high, a lot of the population of high sec is alts. Trade alts and high sec production alts. PI alts, etc. Example: I'm a null sec player. Most of the time I'm logged on to 6 accounts. Of those 2 are in null sec, and 4 will be in high sec. You can't just assume populations and

2. Illusion of a dangerous null sec
Who says this? This is nonsense. It's a well documented fact that null sec is considered safer than low sec and WH space. The only safer place is high sec, which you can't dispute. Sure if you are transporting half a bil of trit in a T1 hauler, you aren't safe in high sec, but then you aren't safe anywhere. You're unlikely to find your Abaddon getting caught by a gate camp though.

3. Achieve that by shooting cynos!
Right, this one you guys seem to keep missing the point on. But here goes: Try watching those cynos. Once the cap jumps in, they self destruct. All you are doing is saving them 2 minutes of wait time. They are disposable alts in disposable ships. CAp pilots need the cyno pilot back in action in a new disposable ship as soon as possible. You help that.

4. A more diverse, more interesting EVE
Except most people won't do what you do. The dying isn't the problem. It's the fact that you have to travel so far every time you get popped, and most of the time you spend cloaked, not earning isk for your shiny ships. Most people will get bored of the cloaked camper lifestyle quick, that's why they do it with non-combat alts.


1. Thinking back over the years, I have met two kinds of players. Those with Alts - like you and me, although I don't have six, but a humble 3 - and those without. While alts are quite common, not everyone has them. And then there are many HS-only players who have alts for production, etc.. So, no matter how you shift numbers, I think we can agree that at least 50% - or a larger number - of players hug HS like a child his mama. For various reasons. Some good. Some bad.

2. While I agree with your assessment: You obviously have lived in Null Sec for too long and do not know what many new players - but also older HS players - think awaits them in Null Sec.

3. So what? Did I ever say anywhere they are mightily important, valuable war targets? You should stop trolling/twisting words and read what I wrote above. Then rethink. That is what this other guy who looked like a voodoo priest didn't get either. So don't feel bad about it.

4. Only we do not only live the "cloaked camper lifestyle". We did it for this... lets call it phase. We also made a bunch of ISK in the month+ or so we were in VFK.

Quote:
You guys seem to have pulled the ideas of nullsec out of nowhere. Harry has proven time and time again that he has no clue what is going on, and you guys listen to everything he says like it's gospel. You can feel free to play the game however you want, but if you keep making threads about it being "Goon Doomsday" and saying have the goons are suffering, and bestowing upon yourselves the title "King of high sec", then expect to get reamed out on here. Honestly, we couldn't care less if you want to travel 20 jumps to come sit in a destroyer in our space, least of which VFK.


Thats the beauty of our arrangement there. I don't have to agree with Harry on anything. When Mittens says: "We attack this and that..." Probably all of the Goons will have to follow. I don't... Its the freedom that comes from playing with like-minded people without electing one dictator for life. Harry can call himself Pope of the Church of Ultimate Pwndom, if he wants to. So could I. :)

Quote:
At the end of the day, all you guys did was come down, speed up some cyno kills, give Joe something to do while he was in 10% tidi on his Op, and once again show that Harry is immature and unable to form a coherent rageless sentence. High sec bears won't be going "20 jumps in a destroyer through null sec to sit at goon HQ for hours waiting for another cyno to undock? SIGN ME UP!".


Then I wonder why our ranks grow. Slowly, but steadily...
Perhaps some players retain enough out of the box thinking skills to understand what we tried to prove.

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Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#28 - 2013-07-29 18:48:03 UTC
Is this a one time thing, or is it ongoing? I dunno how much NPC null there is between the highsec/lowsec jumpoff point and VFK, but you could set up a little restocking station so you don't have to make the jumps back to highsec
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#29 - 2013-07-29 19:09:25 UTC
Leafar Nightfall wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Right well let's address quite a few points here.
Leafar Nightfall: I did blow up your cargo container with your dancer in it. So thanks for the good luck I suppose. Oh, and I'm not a goon.


So you blew a male dancer huh? Hope you two had fun Cool

And don't feed me with your lies goon: you're sitting at VFK, you're a goon, no matter what you or your employment history says Pirate

Clever. More schoolyard humour.
Well you can consider me what you want. I'm CFC, which is the Goon coalition, but I'm not actually a Goon.

Aidan Brooder:
1. No, I wouldn't agree that 50% of PLAYERS are high sec. 50% of character maybe, but I doubt there's 50% of players that would consider themselves high sec.

2. What they think and what is told are 2 different things. Null sec alliances generally don't claim that null sec is unsafe. If you guys don't investigate and just assume then you are likely to jump to conclusions.

3. No, but how is helping goons speed up timers anything to do with "Goon Doomsday". I wonder if you guys even read the reasons Harry is saying you are doing all this.

4. So just to clarify, your diversity will be spending a week a month as a cloaked camper? Kinda like Harry has been all week? Honestly, there's so much BS being spoken from you guys that there seems to be no purpose behind this at all.

How do your rank grow? Are you doing what Harry is and claiming that anyone in VFK fighting goons is there because you are? You realise this happens constantly right? VFK is almost never clear of reds and neutrals.

You guys can talk all this talk as much as you want. Only action means anything, and you have failed to act. You claimed an invasion and delivered a bunch of schoolyard insults while cloaked up in local. I know you love to tell yoursel've you are bing "out of the box" and that this stuff is all new, but it's not. This is more "in the box" than null sec wars. It literally happens every day.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#30 - 2013-07-29 19:10:26 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
Is this a one time thing, or is it ongoing? I dunno how much NPC null there is between the highsec/lowsec jumpoff point and VFK, but you could set up a little restocking station so you don't have to make the jumps back to highsec

I don't think Harry could keep doing these. This one made him cry enough.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#31 - 2013-07-29 19:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Lucas Kell wrote:
Right well let's address quite a few points here.

2. Illusion of a dangerous null sec
Who says this? This is nonsense. It's a well documented fact that null sec is considered safer than low sec and WH space. The only safer place is high sec, which you can't dispute. Sure if you are transporting half a bil of trit in a T1 hauler, you aren't safe in high sec, but then you aren't safe anywhere. You're unlikely to find your Abaddon getting caught by a gate camp though.


Just going to comment on that one point Lucas. Many people do think null sec is much, much more dangerous than low sec. "People can kill you without losing security status. It's full of warp bubbles. When you appear in Local, the rich alliance guys go into Intruder Alert Mode and jump on you with super shiney ships."

I've said many times in Hek and Rens Local, "Low sec is more dangerous than null sec." The uniform response: "Err, you're joking, right?" or "LOL, noob." The majority of people in high sec have no idea how relatively non-dangerous null sec is.
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#32 - 2013-07-29 19:13:21 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
Is this a one time thing, or is it ongoing? I dunno how much NPC null there is between the highsec/lowsec jumpoff point and VFK, but you could set up a little restocking station so you don't have to make the jumps back to highsec


Already done, at least for my guys. ;)

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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#33 - 2013-07-29 19:18:06 UTC
some people here don't understand how much i was posting, no time to check spelling all the time

bombing those letters out like torpedoes, huh, i missed one alsjdflajs still hitting :')

made videos, chatting, email, killing cynos! people don't understand how much work it is...

and i need to block some because it just gets too much, sorry

I'm no social worker, there are enough people I can talk to, those who just hold me up do not make sense

I tried to explain them stuff, but all the time I just think blocking them is the right thing, they just suck out my energy
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#34 - 2013-07-29 19:24:39 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Just going to comment on that one point Lucas. Many people do think null sec is much, much more dangerous than low sec. "People can kill you without losing security status. It's full of warp bubbles. When you appear in Local, the rich alliance guys go into Intruder Alert Mode and jump on you with super shiney ships."

I've said many times in Hek and Rens Local, "Low sec is more dangerous than null sec." The uniform response: "Err, you're joking, right?" The majority of people in high sec have no idea how relatively non-dangerous null sec is.

Well the general consensus for as long as I can remember is that null sec is safer. Even when you join a null sec corp, they warn you that the low sec bands between null and high sec are the most dangerous areas.

Harry Forever wrote:
*More whining and tears*

Yeah careful Harry. You don't want to work yourself too hard. Doing an event that achieves absolutely nothing must be really taxing. You try to explain, but your lack of understanding, your lack of coherent sentences, your heavy volume of tears and propaganda, and the fact that you can only see half the conversation makes it a bit hard.

Anyway dude, I don't think EVE is the game for you, you clearly don't understand it.

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Maximillian German
Task Force Coalition
#35 - 2013-07-29 19:29:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Just going to comment on that one point Lucas. Many people do think null sec is much, much more dangerous than low sec. "People can kill you without losing security status. It's full of warp bubbles. When you appear in Local, the rich alliance guys go into Intruder Alert Mode and jump on you with super shiney ships."

I've said many times in Hek and Rens Local, "Low sec is more dangerous than null sec." The uniform response: "Err, you're joking, right?" The majority of people in high sec have no idea how relatively non-dangerous null sec is.

Well the general consensus for as long as I can remember is that null sec is safer. Even when you join a null sec corp, they warn you that the low sec bands between null and high sec are the most dangerous areas.

Harry Forever wrote:
*More whining and tears*

Yeah careful Harry. You don't want to work yourself too hard. Doing an event that achieves absolutely nothing must be really taxing. You try to explain, but your lack of understanding, your lack of coherent sentences, your heavy volume of tears and propaganda, and the fact that you can only see half the conversation makes it a bit hard.

Anyway dude, I don't think EVE is the game for you, you clearly don't understand it.


I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning. Why wouldn't you want another "target" in nullsec? Especially one that shows up at your front door.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#36 - 2013-07-29 19:32:34 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
Is this a one time thing, or is it ongoing? I dunno how much NPC null there is between the highsec/lowsec jumpoff point and VFK, but you could set up a little restocking station so you don't have to make the jumps back to highsec

We're still out there in Goonland. Some nearby supplies would be great. You could also make some cash selling on the local market. Highly inflated prices there. Smile
Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-07-29 19:37:51 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well you can consider me what you want. I'm CFC, which is the Goon coalition, but I'm not actually a Goon.

3. (...) I wonder if you guys even read the reasons Harry is saying you are doing all this.

4. So just to clarify, your diversity will be spending a week a month as a cloaked camper? Kinda like Harry has been all week? Honestly, there's so much BS being spoken from you guys that there seems to be no purpose behind this at all.

How do your rank grow? Are you doing what Harry is and claiming that anyone in VFK fighting goons is there because you are? You realise this happens constantly right? VFK is almost never clear of reds and neutrals.


Thanks for the polite correction, although I have noticed that before from your char info in the forum. I think you said that with an alt in VFK local but I honestly don't check the char corp everytime.

3. Harry mentioned some times that the objective was to bring carebears to null in the first thread. I think most of the rest is just propaganda and trolling for a laugh. Anyway, the guy might be in a roid rage and it won't matter for me, like Aidan said we can have different ideals and a common objective.

4. Nope. Tactics will improve as experience, SP and isk rise. I'm not even 3 months in the game, Harry isn't as well, and I'm not sure about the other guys, but speaking for me I'm just doing what I can.

Ranks are growing in the sense the people that bombed VFK randomly are joining the chat and helping with tips. If it will stick or not it's impossible to know, but people are showing support to this
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#38 - 2013-07-29 19:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Quote:

Aidan Brooder:
1. No, I wouldn't agree that 50% of PLAYERS are high sec. 50% of character maybe, but I doubt there's 50% of players that would consider themselves high sec.

2. What they think and what is told are 2 different things. Null sec alliances generally don't claim that null sec is unsafe. If you guys don't investigate and just assume then you are likely to jump to conclusions.

3. No, but how is helping goons speed up timers anything to do with "Goon Doomsday". I wonder if you guys even read the reasons Harry is saying you are doing all this.

4. So just to clarify, your diversity will be spending a week a month as a cloaked camper? Kinda like Harry has been all week? Honestly, there's so much BS being spoken from you guys that there seems to be no purpose behind this at all.

How do your rank grow? Are you doing what Harry is and claiming that anyone in VFK fighting goons is there because you are? You realise this happens constantly right? VFK is almost never clear of reds and neutrals.

You guys can talk all this talk as much as you want. Only action means anything, and you have failed to act. You claimed an invasion and delivered a bunch of schoolyard insults while cloaked up in local. I know you love to tell yoursel've you are bing "out of the box" and that this stuff is all new, but it's not. This is more "in the box" than null sec wars. It literally happens every day.


1. Well, then we are in a disagreement on numbers, probably due to different experiences. I guess only CCP could give us a good answer on the true numbers. As long as there are people out there who are afraid of Null Sec, no matter for what reasons (and if you see my post above, I inlcuded self-made misconceptions), we have a valid cause.
2. See one above.
3. I personally never said anywhere in any post anything about "Goon Doomsday". It's an event Harry created. Also note that originally this event was planned to be at the same time as DarthNefarius planned Burn Mittanigrad event. Which incidently never happened. But thats another story.
4. I did spend 4 full weeks in VFK. I recently couldn't join, because of work. But of course I didn't spend all that time camping your boring station, but made trips into profitable regions of your empty empire.

How do I rate growth?
Well, lets say that you do not see everything that happens. We are transparent, but not that transparent. On the one hand I rate growth by the fact of increasing numbers of pilots I fly with. On the other hand, e.g., there are two pirate corps - one of them quite big - that not only helped us but re-focussed their attention from Low Sec to Null Sec. They didn't join us in VFK, but their acquaintance is very much appreciated as allies. There are a lot of other people who support us without being named. So growth can be less tangible things like: connections.

Also, yes, I do realize that VFK is occasionally hunting ground for gangs. They rarely come from HS though and rarely are there many very fresh and new players in their ranks.

"Action" is a matter of definition, ain't it. All that joined us yesterday had fun and an enjoyable evening yesterday. I'd measure that as a success.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#39 - 2013-07-29 20:11:55 UTC
Maximillian German wrote:
I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning. Why wouldn't you want another "target" in nullsec? Especially one that shows up at your front door.

AFK cloaked up pilots are pretty much impossible to find unless they want to be found. Then in the case of these guys, when you do find them, they are barely a blip on the kb. If a proper PvP pilot wants to come down, then fair enough, but these guys are a joke.

Leafar Nightfall wrote:
Thanks for the polite correction, although I have noticed that before from your char info in the forum. I think you said that with an alt in VFK local but I honestly don't check the char corp everytime.

3. Harry mentioned some times that the objective was to bring carebears to null in the first thread. I think most of the rest is just propaganda and trolling for a laugh. Anyway, the guy might be in a roid rage and it won't matter for me, like Aidan said we can have different ideals and a common objective.

4. Nope. Tactics will improve as experience, SP and isk rise. I'm not even 3 months in the game, Harry isn't as well, and I'm not sure about the other guys, but speaking for me I'm just doing what I can.

Ranks are growing in the sense the people that bombed VFK randomly are joining the chat and helping with tips. If it will stick or not it's impossible to know, but people are showing support to this

Sure, you can grow to be more of a threat, but it's unlikely to happen following Harry's lead. For example if you staged up in NPC null, and put together a corp, set up ship fits that complement each other and practice brawls, you could become a pretty good unit. If you are going to continue to "wing it" however against a coalition that fights alongside each other every day, you won;t get far. Bear in mind that the Goons aren't even in VFK at the moment. Once deployment ends and local sits at several hundred all the time and peaks in the thousands, you'll find it a bit more difficult to pick off cynos.

Aidan Brooder:
Yesterday the channel peaked at about 10. The neuts that are always having around VFK but aren't part of your crew aren't classed as your growth. This is almost running into exactly the same issue as before, when Harry claimed a random group of pirates Obelisk kill as his own. Dangerous ground.

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#40 - 2013-07-29 20:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
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Aidan Brooder:
Yesterday the channel peaked at about 10. The neuts that are always having around VFK but aren't part of your crew aren't classed as your growth. This is almost running into exactly the same issue as before, when Harry claimed a random group of pirates Obelisk kill as his own. Dangerous ground.


We were seven in fleet yesterday when I was there, if it interests you. Some of us are just more vocal than others. :)
The pirates that killed the Obelisk are in our chat channel.

It was solely their kill, but we did team up & learn a lot from them. There is a certain language barrier that made coordination difficult in fleet, even though one of my corp mates speaks Russian. They are pretty cool guys with the right amount of planning and patience.

Interestingly enough it took them a lot of time to kill the Obelisk and both they and us still wonder why absolutely no one came to the aid of that freighter. It doesn't speak well for the coordination of that "elite great PVP group that flies aside each other every day", tbh.

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